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Chuckled at the Tavis piece,

artappraiser — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:42:56 +0000

In reply to Tavis notes, "Dudes, you date

Chuckled at the Tavis piece, really is a smooth operator. I note he said this on Tucker Carlson @ Fox....if one side dumps on ya, just flip to the other...

The Hill has a bunch of stuff up now on the makeup artist accusing Trump, including a letter from her accusing them of smearing her.

Did you see this one from last week?: Gingrich defends Franken: 'This is purely and simply hysteria'

The fact of all their coverage both proves and stokes the paranoia Politico reported.

I find your comment

Welcome to 2017/18 where going off the rails and missing the point has never been easier.

inspiring for analysis purposes, ala "light bulb!". This is what trolls do! The mania, it is a Trump effect.. It is about poking and poking and stoking people to express grievance emotionally until the whole thing starts to look ridiculous and they hurt their own cause. He just does it by his very nature and ends up affecting everyone, including his own followers? It is like a Jerry Springer show type phenomenon, where everyone gets so riled up they start throwing chairs and forget what the topic was, acting on their own buried effects of past hurts, slights and abuses?

Tavis notes, "Dudes, you date

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 06:47:01 +0000

In reply to Don't go Al

Tavis notes, "Dudes, you date people at work because that's where you spend all your time."

Meanwhile Matt Damon is blasted for the outrageous thought that "because he didn’t rape somebody – so far as we know – that what he did do wasn’t as bad" - yep, those pats on the tush are every bit as damaging as a back-in-the alley rape.

Welcome to 2017/18 where going off the rails and missing the point has never been easier.

I thought this song expressed

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:33:25 +0000

In reply to Paranoia grips Capitol Hill

I thought this song expressed the current predicament. Or at least one side...

Manchin calls on Franken to

artappraiser — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:08:20 +0000

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Manchin calls on Franken to unresign

by Adam Edelman @ NBCNews, Dec. 18

Friends don't let friends resign from the U.S. Senate amid sexual misconduct allegations, according to Sen. Joe Manchin.

The West Virginia Democrat said Monday that Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., should not have announced his resignation this month and is urging him to reconsider leaving his post [.....]

Could Al Franken un-resign? Sure.

Analysis by Amber Phillips @ WashingtonPost.com, Dec. 18

Paranoia grips Capitol Hill

artappraiser — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 03:51:25 +0000

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Paranoia grips Capitol Hill as harassment scandal spreads

Lawmakers and aides are consumed by one question: Who's next?

@ Politico.com, 12/17

story really does live up to the headline, i.e., goes over the big rumors going on and names names of some already falsely accused with hoaxes, quotes about the fears of sabotaged campaigns, etc.

Oh goodie, 1st standout case

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:29:57 +0000

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Oh goodie, 1st standout case of female harassing man. Of course we've never had an unfair attack of a so-called PMS office manager on some poor misunderstood dude. Nor trumped up reasons of why the woman didn't get the promotion, etc. Just that "no tolerance" standard is a double-edge axe that's going to take a lot of unintended people down with it.

I think political situations

artappraiser — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 07:37:47 +0000

In reply to I don't know, I guess it

I think political situations are kinda special, it can be like with Paula Jones and Bill Clinton, and like Kathleen Willey and Bill Clinton. If it's a man that has ever fooled around (Gennifer Flowers), he's a mark for blackmail, and it's "he said, she said."

Even without sexual harassment accusations being involved. it's one of the workplaces where mixing sex is much more dangerous than in many others. Because of: pillow talk, and power being bought and sold.

There's also the flip side congressional tradition of the non-typing typist, like Elizabeth Ray and Wayne Hays.

Or the first gay in Congress having an "inappropriate" relationship with an underage page..

Then there's deals like Callista Bisek, former Agricultural Committee Clerk, having an affair with the House Speaker Gingrich while his wife had cancer. He eventually made an "honest woman" of her, and now she's our Ambassador to the Vatican.

Or Christine Keeler and John Profumo, for that matter, where the workplace was not a concern but the other Russian spy boyfriend certainly was....

Matalin and Carville, on the other hand, handled it well!

Because a) we're getting past

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:12:29 +0000

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Because a) we're getting past horrid things they did to lityle things they did to what they said, which turns everything into potentially damaging material. Look at some of the "racial discrimination" trumped up payouts (not the justified ones) - if instead of rolling our eyes and paying as necessary we turn these into automatic black marks on the accused, it's a career minefield. Which has now happened.

b) because many men aren't cads, but know attraction can lead to doing something stupid over the course of years, whether too drunk at an outing or other excuse, and if telling jokes is tossed in the mix - they can just insulate themselves with the right hire. Being an abusive boss used to be one of the accepted management styles - assholes can spur more profit, higher performance.

c ) btw, it should be noted HR departments have been highly complicit in say Uber's sexist excesses and discrimination. Oddly or not, often run by women.

I don't know, I guess it

ocean-kat — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:08:57 +0000

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I don't know, I guess it depends on how many men are into cheap thrills and coercion. I'm not into cheap thrills. It's not like I'm depriving myself. I imagine if I was into that I might go for it if I could get away with it. I'm not a saint. I'm into high quality expensive thrills. The kind that take time and energy. No woman will ever claim I patted her butt or grabbed her tit. Cheap thrills just aren't fun for me. I'm not into coercion. I'm not even into prostitutes which I think is almost coercion most of the time. Perhaps if I could afford a really expensive prostitute for a whole night that was really good at pretending she was having a good time but a quickie with a whore bores me. I'm not into holding some woman down while I essentially masturbate in her. I'm into laying around and playing around for a long time while we both enjoy each other doing all the things that are normally done.

I can't say I know much about men, are they more like me or more like Trump? There have actually been very few accusations so far. There're probably some who are guilty but haven't been mentioned but one would think if most men were going for the cheap thrills we'd have heard more. I'm not trying to minimize the problem but I'd have to guess at this point that most men aren't into the cheap thrills. So why would they be worried about hiring a woman? It wouldn't worry me at all.

Oh, this was obvious with the

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 03:44:00 +0000

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Oh, this was obvious with the Pence rule. Dems just got there from a diff angle

And I was also going to write about the Misfits - the adroit will find other ways to hook up, but the Misfits of either sex aren't going out on such dates or picking up people at bars, so need these day-to-day proximity encounters to improve their lot. This just made it more difficult for the outcasts. We went from "respect me, don't abuse me" to "don't look at me, don't even think abiut me" in 60 secs. Meanwhile the Sorvino and Ashley Judd examples are horrifying (if anyone seemed rip for LotR with her elfish smile it's Ashley Judd), and the Dustin Hoffman examples are disturbing.