dagblog - Comments for "Ben Jealous Releases Medicare-for-all Plan" http://dagblog.com/link/ben-jealous-releases-medicare-all-plan-24023 Comments for "Ben Jealous Releases Medicare-for-all Plan" en The short answer is which http://dagblog.com/comment/245825#comment-245825 <a id="comment-245825"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245815#comment-245815">This is such a tough question</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>The short answer is which will result in reducing unhappiness next year.</p> <p>The longer answer can be found in Kenneth Arrow,Dec 1963 American Economic Review on the economics of medical care and Michael Foot's 1973 biography of Aneurin Bevan by Davis-Poynton-Vol 2, pages 102-218 on how it was done.</p> <p>Which Goethe condensed to  " Only Begin".</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:11:28 +0000 Flavius comment 245825 at http://dagblog.com Hill's not Bill nor Obama. http://dagblog.com/comment/245823#comment-245823 <a id="comment-245823"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245820#comment-245820">We disagree. African</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Hill's not Bill nor Obama.</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:04:45 +0000 PeraclesPlease comment 245823 at http://dagblog.com Hilarious. Bernie and http://dagblog.com/comment/245822#comment-245822 <a id="comment-245822"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245820#comment-245820">We disagree. African</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Hilarious. Bernie and BernieBros focus on white voters. Bernie.Never comes to black communities.</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:56:32 +0000 rmrd0000 comment 245822 at http://dagblog.com We disagree. African http://dagblog.com/comment/245820#comment-245820 <a id="comment-245820"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245819#comment-245819">Blacks did not vote against</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even">We disagree. African-Americans are among the poorest Americans. Hillary's neo-liberal pro-finance policies, as pursued both by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, increased the economic distance between blacks and whites. Bernie's pro-worker policies would have improved the circumstances for poor and working-class Americans who are disproportionately of color. Wall Street overwhelmingly supported Hillary over Bernie. Only 2.5% of Wall Street executives are African-American and well under 40% are women. Hillary's policies were best for these white men. <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-bank-diversity-2015-8">http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-bank-diversity-2015-8</a> Red-lining banks helped finance Hillary's campaign. <a href="https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/17/hillary-clinton-black-conversion/MGm28xS7rHMlX8VQ0admzJ/story.html">https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/17/hillary-clinton-black-con...</a></div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:08:18 +0000 HSG comment 245820 at http://dagblog.com Blacks did not vote against http://dagblog.com/comment/245819#comment-245819 <a id="comment-245819"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245818#comment-245818">I did not say that blacks</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Blacks did not vote against their economic interests by voting for Hillary over Bernie. Bernie could not get single payer, one of his economic pillars to work in his own home state.</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:45:33 +0000 rmrd0000 comment 245819 at http://dagblog.com I did not say that blacks http://dagblog.com/comment/245818#comment-245818 <a id="comment-245818"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245814#comment-245814">Here is double-speak on</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even">I did not say that blacks were voting against their economic interests when they voted against Trump. Nor did I imply it. In fact, I believe just the opposite. I do think that poor, working, and middle-class Americans who voted for Hillary over Bernie were voting against their economic interests. Previously, I acknowledged your point that white working-class voters were voting against their interests when they voted for Trump over Hillary but Hillary has championed policies that have harmed all but the wealthy for the past 25 years and she did not campaign on economics. That is why she lost.</div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:42:04 +0000 HSG comment 245818 at http://dagblog.com In the United States, voting http://dagblog.com/comment/245817#comment-245817 <a id="comment-245817"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245812#comment-245812">The parties are not the same</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>In the United States, voting for a Republican is voting against your economic interest.</p> <p>Edit to add:</p> <p>Read the link to Shaun King</p> <p>Edit to add:</p> <p>The more we exchange posts, the more I see that  Ernie and  Ernie Rios will never garner a majority of the black vote. If people don’t see the world as Bernie sees the world and reject his solutions, BernieBros are ready to burn things down. In Atlanta, Bernie’s pick for Mayor finished fifth. The result, BernieBros would rather see a Republican elected. BernieBros want their form of purity or they want scorched earth. They do not believe in compromise.</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:01:12 +0000 rmrd0000 comment 245817 at http://dagblog.com Minorities tend to do better http://dagblog.com/comment/245816#comment-245816 <a id="comment-245816"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245814#comment-245814">Here is double-speak on</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Minorities tend to do better under Democratic Presidents and suffer economically under Republican Presidents.</p> <p><a href="http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/under-democratic-presidents-minorities-make-economic-gains-and-so-do-whites">http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/under-democratic-presidents-minorities-make-economic-gains-and-so-do-whites</a></p> </div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:42:01 +0000 rmrd0000 comment 245816 at http://dagblog.com This is such a tough question http://dagblog.com/comment/245815#comment-245815 <a id="comment-245815"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245801#comment-245801">Either Pence is grossly</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even">This is such a tough question - do we embrace a two-tier system where the wealthy can go outside government-compensated care? I'm inclined to say yes. Our public schools, colleges, and universities thrived for a century while competing with private academies. The counter-argument is that life or death medical decisions should never be decided by whether patients or their families have access to funds. My reply would be that a democratic government is well-positioned to decide what health care truly serves a medical purpose. If the people do not wish to keep a comatose patient alive but in a vegetative state, then that is a reasonable decision. Some wealthy patients might then survive on life support at their or their family's expense while less affluent ones might not. This seems less than ideal but is perhaps the least bad outcome.</div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:34:42 +0000 HSG comment 245815 at http://dagblog.com Here is double-speak on http://dagblog.com/comment/245814#comment-245814 <a id="comment-245814"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/245811#comment-245811">Blacks (with very few</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>This s double-speak on economics. Who was more likely to be better for blacks Clinton or Trump? Look at the current tax bill and tell me that blacks did not vote for their own economic interest when they vote for Clinton over Trump. You Hillary hatred makes you condemn Hillary’s economic plan without acknowledging what Trump would do. Stamp this in your brain, blacks voted for their economic interest. Trump represents economic disaster for blacks.</p> </div></div></div> Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:29:50 +0000 rmrd0000 comment 245814 at http://dagblog.com