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Illegal employment harassment

artappraiser — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 13:28:55 +0000

Illegal employment harassment as defined by the EEOC: clearly not just about sex

To quibble with the CEO bit,

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:14:00 +0000

In reply to P.S. I found this interesting

To quibble with the CEO bit, Ivana helped Donald define and build his brand - a real partner. The other Stepford Wives, not very much. Ivanka is his heir apparent-cum-concubine daughter at least in embarrassing jest and does at least have some common sense unlike her brothers. Any other woman is disposable, whether Theresa May or Megyn Kelley or whoever. (As you note, Hillary was more of an apt jousting competitor - not many of those male or female)

Interesting angle came up on both Putin (Atlantic) and Trump (Chris Cilizza) - that while we credit all this intrigue and planning, that Trump's and PUtin's was always to win the daily tabloids, the stills, each day a hero just for one day than back jack do it again. In short, we keep crediting them with grand strategy when all they have is persistent tactics over and over, and it's no deeper than that. - winging it one day at a time Perhaps I question it on Putin, as on the one hand we might call some of what he's done fortuitous, it's looking more like he's pulled some very diverse pieces together and planned different sorts of revenge for a long time.

P.S. I found this interesting

artappraiser — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:23:57 +0000

In reply to yeah, I agree with him since

P.S. I found this interesting along these lines on the Roy Moore thing:

Republican Women in Alabama Sound Off on Roy Moore

especially the photo caption : “If that guy doesn’t think I need to be anywhere but the kitchen birthing babies, he can kiss my ass,” one member of the Alabama Republican Party said.

It reminded me that back in the "good old days" all these things intersected more, sex crimes/roles/workplace harassment were intertwined. But most of us look at the world of "Mad Men" and the typing pool, women are secretaries, teachers and barefoot mothers, et. al.. as hilarious history now. The "movement" won that round, women working is part of our culture. Except for many of the wacko Christian right, who never gave up dreaming of a comeback. Hence: beware a President Pence.

Trump is actually a weird case. As creepy as the whole beauty pageant and women-as-saleable objects is, he's fully in support of Ivanka the C.E.O., not man's plaything. Same thing with all the wives, he always like to promote them as powerful smart people, even if they weren't. And even with Hillary, the power games he played with her, those are actually recognition that she was a threat,.as much threat as a man would be. Equality weirdly expressed: If he though physically stalking Marco Rubio on stage would work, he'd do it. With him, the woman as object and woman as possible equals are like compartmentalized with an on/off switch?

yeah, I agree with him since

artappraiser — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:07:23 +0000

In reply to Enough Sex - Back to Work

yeah, I agree with her since day one of the mania. I actually have been surprised by how many people confuse workplace harassment with other sexual crimes or with gender equality and relationships and roles between genders. To me, it just seems so clear and easy to keep them separate. Even to the point where as a woman, you know what the difference is quite clearly: where a boss that hits on you, is rebuffed and afterwards treats you the same as he treats male employees, that's not sexual harassment. Or if a professor has an affair with you while you're in his class, but still gives you a C+ on your term paper because it's not very good., that's not sexual harassment. Though he's not a good example, a guy can be a flaming asshole Weinstein type predator and still treat women as equals at work. It happens all the time! The sexual predator at night is perfectly capable of treating women well at work. I just don't think it makes good sense or good law or even good feminism to confuse the two. Maybe it's because I had a college roommate whose family biz was lawyering at gender equality issues, and made a career out of working for the EEOC, that I get it and other people don't? But we've never really talked about her work that much....