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Yep, that's about right and I

wabby — Mon, 25 Dec 2017 14:50:18 +0000

In reply to Hucksters Michigan district

Yep, that's about right and I'm not kidding. Hoekstra has a, shall we say, colorful history with the state.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2017/12/pete-yellow-girl-hoekstra-finds-a-new...

Hucksters Michigan district

NCD — Mon, 25 Dec 2017 00:41:41 +0000

Hucksters Michigan district is a where if you haven't lived there for 3 generations you're considered an outsider, and the locals think international travel is a trip to Ohio. It's Trump country.

Dutch media has just been

rmrd0000 — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 22:52:54 +0000

In reply to It proves Huckster's

Dutch media has just been introduced to these vermin and they immediately confront them. United States media downplayed the lies as simply part of Trump campaign spin.

It proves Huckster's

NCD — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 16:31:00 +0000

In reply to Hoekstra apologized. Some

It proves Huckster's periodontal disease has moved from his gums to his brain, he caught it over there from eating Dutch chocolate cake.

Hoekstra apologized. Some

rmrd0000 — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:11:09 +0000

In reply to Pete Hoekstra, former

Hoekstra apologized. Some weren’t having it.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hoekstra-apologizes-for-dutch-interview_us_5a3ed525e4b025f99e178967?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Pete Hoekstra, former

rmrd0000 — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 15:07:09 +0000

In reply to ‘We’re losing the war for truth’: Sen. Franken denounces Trump, GOP in final floor speech

Pete Hoekstra, former Republican member of Congress from Michigan, is the new Ambassador to the Netherlands. Hoekstra was both in the Netherlands and came to the US at age 3. Hoekstra made anti-Muslim comments in the past. When a Dutch reporter asked about those comments, Hoekstra said that he never made them it was “fake news”. Tape of Hoekstra making the comments was shown. The reporter then asked Hoekstra why he called it “fake news”. Hoekstra then said that he never used the term fake news. Keep in mind this is all in the same televised interview. The quizzical look on the Dutch reporter ‘s face is priceless. Welcome to the post fact world.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/22/us-ambassador-to-netherlands-describes-own-words-as-fake-news

And how does immediate

artappraiser — Sat, 23 Dec 2017 01:43:07 +0000

In reply to I'm surprised too. If one

And how does immediate counter-action figure into it all:

The blue-state schemes to undermine new federal tax law are only beginning > https://t.co/e0WBM1nFBP
— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) December 22, 2017

This wonk thing, it's complicated....

Edit to add: I know one Republican promise that I am 100% sure has been broken: tax lawyers are not going to be put out of business! I betcha if I go over to any pro-flat tax site, like Steve Forbes' magazine, I could find screaming bloody murder op-eds there....

I'm surprised too. If one

ocean-kat — Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:08:05 +0000

In reply to I actually am amazed at the

I'm surprised too. If one just looks at the surface the simple answer at first glance is that every one will get a tax cut. And that used to work so well for republicans in the past. My theory, Policy poll answers aren't always about the policy. They're I fucking hate Trump polls. There are always some people who will answer policy questions based on the president or party advocating them. Some right wingers answered dislike on polls on every policy Obama advocated. Some did the same for Bush et.al. But most people didn't really hate Bush or Obama or Clinton etc. so their answers on policy questions were mostly about the policy. Now virtually every democrat hates Trump. And almost every democrat leaning independent hates Trump. Even many of the moderate republicans hate Trump. Any policy question will be skewed by that Trump hatred.

The questions are:

Will that Trump hatred be sustainable until the 2018 elections or will he be able to win back some moderate republicans or independents?

How much will that Trump hatred transfer to down ballot republicans?

Interesting that Joe

artappraiser — Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:54:44 +0000

In reply to I actually am amazed at the

Interesting that Joe Scarborough is trying hitting hard with the truth from personal experience:

Trump’s working-class supporters are about to pay the price

The political system is rigged for the richest insiders in America.

When we talk about the insider, who are we talking about? It’s the comfortable politician only looking out for his own interest. It is the lobbyist who knows how to put that perfect loophole in every single bill to get richer and richer and richer at your expense [....]

Of course few voters of his type will hear or listen since he is now over on the dark side being on MSNBC and @ WaPo.

P.S. Comes to mind that most

artappraiser — Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:48:07 +0000

In reply to I actually am amazed at the

P.S. Comes to mind that most analysts have found that the tax bill changes hurts blue areas most! So as time goes on, red area swing voters find more to like? Even if they have come to dislike Trump and hear him claiming credit for it....