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There was built in excitement

rmrd0000 — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 20:45:03 +0000

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There was built in excitement for the.movie. Pre-sale tickets set a record. The white supremacists probably had little impact. The black community was thrilled about the character and the movie. There was similar joy when the movie “Get Out” was released. Older blacks had to settle for only white superheroes. Characters like Black Panther, Luke Cage, and Black Lightning appearing onscreen is a recent phenomenon. “Get Out” is a great horror film. “Black Panther” seems to be a great superhero movie. They are universal stories, but we are not used to seeing black characters as the leads in such notable movies.

Following the adage that all

artappraiser — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 20:32:59 +0000

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Following the adage that all publicity is good publicity, the whole gambit was counter-productive, encouraged previewers that liked it but wouldn't normally bother to rate or review @ Rotten Tomatoes to go and do so:

‘Black Panther’ Reviews Roar With 100-Percent Rotten Tomatoes Score @ HuffPost

and probably also encouraged a mindset to see it positively from the getgo.

The anticipation about Black

rmrd0000 — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 14:43:12 +0000

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The anticipation about Black Panther in the black community in the black community is a direct response to the lack of movies that are truly black oriented. It is a joy to see the reaction. Movies like Hidden Figures show triumph over obstacles. Movies like Driving Miss Daisy are insulting.

There is room for Black oriented moves by black writers and direct. There is room for black writers and directors creating universal movies. We are still in an age where Idris Elba appearing as an Asgardian in Thor was greeted by racist objections. There was similar nonsense when Amanda Stenberg. Was cast as Rue in Hunger Games. There is also a debate that white directors helming black- themed films take jobs away from black directors. Another big problem in Hollywood is that casting directors don’t consider black actors for race-neutral parts.

People may realize that blacks aren’t in certain positions, but silence does not change things. There was a lack of black coaches in the NFL. People knew that black coaches were absent. It took pressure from black activists and Dan Rooney, the former Pittsburgh Steelers owner, to force NFL owners to interview qualified black coaches with the Rooney Rule.

I have my Black Panther tickets and plan to enjoy the show. Early reviews are very positive.

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-panther-early-reactions-1202681362/

Yeah, I end up more often

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:52:00 +0000

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Yeah, I end up more often than not with a negative reaction every time I see this "first black...", "first female...", etc. - like, I'm a grownup, I can notice that there haven't been a lot of black CEOs of Google or Apple or black hockey players & golf players - the pointing it out so much cheapens it, marginalizes it, or ghettoizes it - are black writers & directors only good for Blaxploitation and House Party and Beauty Parlor for the ladies, flicks about blacks or are they simply artists who happen to frequently but not necessarily have this milieu because most people write more what they know? *British* writer Kazuo Ishiguro writes *novels*. Not Japanese novels, not British novels - novels. V.S. Naipaul wrote insightful *travel books* - not Indian travel books, not British travel books, not Hindu travel books. Amos Tutuola wrote folk tales - not African folk tales, but folk tales set in Africa. Anyone can read him, Malaysians, Kazakhs, New Zealanders, Peruvians. He is not owned, he is not limited. He wrote "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" in 1954 - was there any reason he *wouldn't* inspire a British glam & New York punk/indie performer 25 years later to make an album based on his book, and incorporate an African ethos into their stage performance?

Abraham Reisman @ NYMag did a

artappraiser — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 02:15:54 +0000

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Abraham Reisman @ NYMag did a long form piece profile on Blank Panther's creator for the Jan.22-Feb.4 print edition:

The Man Who Made Black Panther Cool Christopher Priest broke the color barrier at Marvel and reinvented a classic character. Why was he nearly written out of comics history?

I have no idea how the character plays out, why it is so popular, I don't follow comics, but I have a suspicion from reading this piece it is because it not the same old same old. Priest clearly does not cotton to political correctness and loathes the idea of being a black token or creating black tokens. Some excerpts to that effect:

“I’m an asshole. I’m abrasive. I am so sure that I’m right about virtually everything. I can sing you an aria of reasons to not like me,” says comics writer Christopher Priest, his bass voice rising to the brink of anger but never quite tipping over. “Not liking me because I’m black is so juvenile and immature, because there’s many reasons to not like me.” He’s speaking, as he often does, about the racism — both overt and structural — that he’s faced in the comics industry over his 40-year career [.....]

“He had the classic run on Black Panther, period, and that’s gonna be true for a long time,” says Ta-Nehisi Coates, who currently writes Black Panther for Marvel. “People had not put as much thought into who and what Black Panther was before Christopher started writing the book.” While previously the Panther had been written as a superhero, Coates notes, “[Priest] thought that Black Panther was a king.” It seems doubtful there’d even be a movie about him today if not for Priest’s refurbishing. Yet Priest himself has been chronically underappreciated. [.....]

“I was a little horrified when the words ‘Black’ and ‘Panther’ came out of Joe’s mouth,” he would later write. “I mean, Black Panther? Who reads Black Panther? Black Panther?!” But they were adamant, and Priest acquiesced — with “one basic stipulation: Black Panther could not be ‘a black book.’ ” Even though he had become the best interpreter of race in the game, Priest saw something troubling happening to his career. “I stopped being a writer, or being thought of as a writer,” he tells me, “and started being thought of as a blackwriter.”

So, in order to make this new endeavor interesting for himself, he managed to persuade Quesada and Palmiotti to let him give a book called Black Panther a white protagonist [.....]

But he wants to be clear on something: Even though he stopped pitching comics, he was still open to writing them. He was just peeved about what he would periodically be asked to write. “Every 18 months, I’d get a call from Marvel or DC and they’d say, ‘Hey. We’re bringing back All-Negro Comics and we want you to write it.’ ‘We want you to do Black Goliath.’ ‘We want you to do Black Lightning,’ ” he says. He did a five-issue Quantum and Woody revival at Acclaim’s successor company, Valiant, in 2014, but remained estranged from the Big Two.

Then, something remarkable happened: Priest was offered Deathstroke the Terminator, a DC character. “My first question was ‘Is he black these days?’ They said, ‘No, he’s still a white guy.’ And I went, ‘Okay, I’m listening.’ [.....]

I was reading some of the

Danny Cardwell — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 02:15:14 +0000

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I was reading some of the tweets about this and thought it was a joke at first. This is sad!

A private company can set its

rmrd0000 — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 01:28:34 +0000

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A private company can set its own speech regulations with certain limits

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics/first-amendment-explainer-trnd/index.html

What the main article should

artappraiser — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 22:50:35 +0000

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I think what the main article should remind people of is that Facebook is not a public utility, it is a for-profit company. When they choose to censor something, they have a profit motive in mind. So I looked at what they did here and to me it seems they opted to prop up the integrity of movie rating systems on their site and others like Rotten Tomatoes, that they genuinely reflect one vote per user and not a hack attack to artificially inflate one site over another. Not doing so could cause artificial "buzz" or viral activity to take off that doesn't reflect reality. So then no one cannot depend on what they see, i.e., investors, analysts, or just a schlump trying to decide if a movie is worth paying for, etc.

Our Constitution however felt a little differently about freedom of speech and it's not clear yet whether it should be interpreted to limit one passionate point of view advocate more powerfully than their numbers by technical means. How is spamming any different than having advocates on the street day after day after day handing out printed handbills and harassing all passers by. The principle of freedom of speech actually includes people becoming so obnoxious about their passionate beliefs that they turn the majority off.

It's an interesting conundrum.

Edit to add: this principle also has to do with the integrity of all the rating and review systems on the internet we have come to rely upon as consumers, not just about movies but large purchases and important services like health care.

Facebook did the right thing

rmrd0000 — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 16:53:38 +0000

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Facebook did the right thing here, but Facebook is no longer trustworthy. Facebook will be an open conduit for the Russians in the 2018 elections. Facebook allows Britain First, a white supremacist site, to have a place on its UK pages. Facebook and Twitter allowed Russian bots to promote a campaign to release the Nunes memo. Facebook is not taking its responsibility seriously.

https://www.recode.net/2018/1/31/16955432/democrats-congress-adam-schiff-dianne-feinstein-russia-release-the-memo-bots-trolls

There are several websites that I access through Facebook. Trying to disconnect from Facebook once your are on is almost impossible.

i was led find that to that

artappraiser — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 01:10:19 +0000

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i was led to find the above after googling about the film, after I happened across this simply amazing, jaw-dropping video:

These middle school students just found out they're seeing Black Panther