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"The NRA's power is more

artappraiser — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 05:00:27 +0000

In reply to NRA LaPierre: Fear Bernie Not Maniacs w/ Battlefiled Weapons

"The NRA's power is more complex than people think": The gun rights group influences the debate more through electioneering muscle, than through direct donations to candidates. @EricLiptonNYT @alexburnsNYT https://t.co/n7awJX0cRs
— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) February 25, 2018

One can post anything on the

ocean-kat — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 05:46:35 +0000

In reply to You could save some

One can post anything on the internet accurate or not, but I am a strong supporter of capitalism. Based on your posts I guessed you voted for Trump. It's possible that you didn't vote or like so many trolls everything you post is a lie. There's no way to know for sure.

You could save some

Peter — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:35:38 +0000

In reply to Well I'm a far left liberal

You could save some keystrokes and be more accurate by simply writing 'I and my friends are Commies'. Who told you I voted for Trump?

Well I'm a far left liberal

ocean-kat — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:32:27 +0000

In reply to You're naive to believe that

Well I'm a far left liberal and all my friends and most of my acquaintances for the last 20 years have been far left liberals. In fact you're the only person I know who voted for Trump. I didn't know anyone who voted for McCain or Romney or Bush. So I think I know what my people, very liberal democrats and environmentalists, think better than you.

That exchange ended with him

barefooted — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 00:41:10 +0000

In reply to You're naive to believe that

That exchange ended with him being branded as a gun stroking ammosexual.

Peter, might I suggest that you filter your viewing and/or reading choices a bit more carefully?

You're naive to believe that

Peter — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 00:30:19 +0000

In reply to The slippery slope argument

You're naive to believe that only a few lefties want to ban and confiscate all guns. This is a repeated goal and what was being shouted at the CNN townhall. More important is the fact these commies want to strip millions of law abiding citizens of their natural right to keep and bear arms along with free speech which they have already damaged badly. At another site I watched a commenter admit to being a degenerate gun owner while supporting, as you do, reasonable gun control. That exchange ended with him being branded as a gun stroking ammosexual.

The slippery slope argument

ocean-kat — Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:01:29 +0000

In reply to My guess is the most that can

The slippery slope argument has some validity but not to the degree that you state or the far right gun nuts state it. I'm a democrat and a gun owner and I consider myself a supporter of the 2nd amendment. I'd like to see more gun control than it's possible to get right now. So yes, I want to see a slippery slope starting with what you, and I, think is the most we might get right now. But those who want the slippery slope to end with a gun free society and a ban and confiscation of all guns are few and far between.

Most gun rights supporters, gun owners, and even republicans support some gun control legislation while still thinking they support the 2nd amendment. The point we have to find is what exactly is reasonable gun control legislation. The point where most gun right supporters think we might have gone a little to far but are ok with it and most gun control supporters think we haven't gone quite far enough but are ok with it. That's really the point we need to find on all the issues that divide us. We haven't been able to find it because the republicans have surrendered to their far right and refuse to compromise. If we can find that point in the middle we can significantly reduce the number of mass shootings, the number of deaths when they happen, and reduce homicides in cities and deaths from gun suicides as well. Without significantly reducing most people's 2nd amendment rights.

Thanks, I followed that link

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:38:33 +0000

In reply to From Stu's remember the 90s

Thanks, I followed that link and on the same page heard a new, to me, John Prine song.

I’m reminded that the NRA was

rmrd0000 — Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:35:38 +0000

In reply to NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch

I’m reminded that the NRA was silent when a black man, Philando Castile, with a gun permit was gunned down by a police officer. There is not a lot of trust that the NRA is concerned about the rights of people of color.

https://www.theroot.com/philando-castiles-mom-is-sick-of-wayne-lapierre-and-the-1823276814

It could be that older

ocean-kat — Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:30:02 +0000

In reply to VERY interesting on what

It could be that older generations see the cultural changes around guns and don't like it. Younger generations grew up in a changed culture. Older generations were more likely to own a gun but favor more gun control laws. I'm 60 and when I was a kid every one owned a gun but it was just a tool. Like a hammer or a screwdriver. More people hunted. Or they needed a gun on occasions to shoot a skunk or a rabid animal near the house or maybe a ground hog in the vegetable garden. But no one open carried their gun around town. People wouldn't pull out the gun at parties to show off for their friends. If my dad had pulled out his rifle to show off the guests would have shrugged and said, "So? I got one of those too." Most guns sat back in the corner of the closet until there was some reason to use it. It was just an inexpensive shotgun or deer rifle. No one was going to pay 1 or 2 or 3 thousand dollars for an assault weapon when a simple cheap rifle would do the job.

People resist change. Older people see the changes and resist them. Many of the changes are liberal ones, equal rights for women, minorities, gays. But some changes liberals resist. Greater access to firearms, firearms as a status symbol not as a tool, open carry on the streets in the city. Older people resist all those changes.