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What part of the Third Way

moat — Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:58:23 +0000

In reply to Some snowflakes will seek a

What part of the Third Way proposal moves the country towards "Marxism"?
What do you mean by "Marxism"? Your previous attempts to describe it stopped short of any references to Marx.
You have given no indication so far that you even know what is being discussed.

The only "Marxism eventually"

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:01:56 +0000

In reply to Some snowflakes will seek a

The only "Marxism eventually" is Groucho's. Seriously, that's a whack prediction. We can't even agree that getting newborns/young kids health care is a good thing or that people shooting school-aged kids is a bad thing. How the fuck do you think we're getting to "socialism/communism" in less than 1000 years?

Some snowflakes will seek a

Peter — Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:49:15 +0000

In reply to I spent yesterday listening

Some snowflakes will seek a safe space within the embrace of the Third Way Collective and even believe it is somehow new. Bill Clinton used Third Way to move the party to the center to get capitalist backing but it has always been about moving the country towards Marxism eventually.

I spent yesterday listening

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 16 Mar 2018 04:51:00 +0000

In reply to Yes, I do like that many of

I spent yesterday listening to new interdisciplinary approaches, including industry-academic partnerships, that change the equation from my day of leaving school in a recession and wondering "what now?" cluelessly.

And it used to be that industry funded a lot of college facilities and research - that died away when research was no longer seen as a key shareholder value. And if students flock to Google, why does Google need to fund anything? But it can be a game-changer for other less visible up-and-comers or less sexy professions.

Then there's asset stripping - not only is it stealing from the company, it's stealing from the taxpayer - and using borrowed money - what a scam? How to reverse? What do conservatives think of this? Naked short-selling was made illegal - why not this blatant misuse of private savings?

Yes, I do like that many of

barefooted — Fri, 16 Mar 2018 00:47:59 +0000

In reply to I particularly like the focus

Yes, I do like that many of the ideas focus on the local needs as much if not more than the state or federal level issues. Mainly because a flower blossoms when it's fed from below and given air to breathe from above.

As for the college "assurances", that's certainly questionable in many ways ... but if memory serves Obama worked on much the same idea even if in somewhat different directions. They say:

And we will lift the federal ban on reporting student-level data to enable students and parents to determine the value of the schools they may attend—from graduation rates to future employment outcomes of graduates and non-graduates of each school.

There are certainly problems when we look at the same questions within primary education, so perhaps there's a better answer for kids and parents who need to know what they can expect.

If it's more a 2-sided

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 16 Mar 2018 00:31:53 +0000

In reply to I particularly like the focus

If it's more a 2-sided commitment that's market-based with intwrnships, it can guve a better assurance of employability before graduation, rather than "would you like fries with that". Of course some students are just tiads.

I particularly like the focus

moat — Fri, 16 Mar 2018 00:25:51 +0000

In reply to Third Way considers

I particularly like the focus on moving capital into communities and and small businesses. That is what is missing from the idea of using trade policies alone to stimulate new enterprise.

Coordinating public education practices with apprenticeship programs is something that would not only help bring new people into the workplace but would make the workplace better.

I am skeptical the idea of colleges giving "assurances" that they are leading students to a good job. I think colleges have gone overboard in that direction already.

Third Way considers

barefooted — Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:33:22 +0000

In reply to So Bernie's not the only one

Third Way considers themselves "center-left", though they were widely condemned as more centrist-establishment than anything else. Still are for the most part, as I understand it. If you read the proposal you'll find it's quite a bit apart from Bernie even as it recognizes the party (and perhaps more importantly, the country) needs new ideas. For instance, there's nothing about government funded higher education. There is, in part, this:

Postsecondary education is often the largest expense a student and their family ever incur—and can provide a significant competitive edge in the digital economy—so it’s essential that they get a high-value return on their investment. Accomplishing this cannot be solved by addressing college affordability alone, but must also focus on providing modern, comprehensive quality assurances so that any student who starts college actually finishes with the necessary skills and degrees to get a well-paying job that will allow them to pay back their debt.

And rather than a $15.00/hr. minimum wage, they discuss:

The regional minimum wage recognizes that it costs $35 to park for a day in Brooklyn and $35 to park for a month in Cumberland, MD. The regional minimum wage starts by setting a baseline national minimum wage to exactly one-half the median wage for hourly, nonsupervisory wage workers in America. In January 2018, that baseline would be $10.90 an hour. At this level, a full-time minimum wage earner would surpass the federal poverty level by more than $1,000, even before accounting for federal benefits like the EITC.

It's an interesting bunch of notions ... some worth a considerations, others a chuckle. But I do consider a large swath of it (at least) reality based.

So Bernie's not the only one

artappraiser — Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:06:17 +0000

In reply to A New Generation Of Ideas

So Bernie's not the only one addressing these concerns with policy proposals,eh? Who knew?