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I would put Lorenz in the

moat — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:59:43 +0000

In reply to Gregory, eh? Drove by Esalen

I would put Lorenz in the same category. He developed the problem of the Butterfly Effect by doing his damnedest to get past it and produce the ultimate weather forecast.

I do not recognize my comment

moat — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:46:17 +0000

In reply to It is neither easy nor

I do not recognize my comment in your reply. I certainly agree with Levi that we must not look away from that abyss. Are you suggesting that I fell into a fugue state and started denying the holocaust without my realizing it? I would find the suggestion very offensive if I had any idea what it might mean. Have I been inserted into a Kafka novel and nobody bothered to inform me?

What line of inquiry into the nature of cognition do you consider more worthwhile than the one Clark pursues?

The other side of that

moat — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:31:15 +0000

In reply to If you think of the quote in

The other side of that observation notices that establishing a common denominator that describes the traits of the most individuals is not very informative even if it is accurate. Verdicts are the conclusion of investigations, not the beginning.

Gregory, eh? Drove by Esalen

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 05:23:05 +0000

In reply to That is a great mystery and a

Gregory, eh? Drove by Esalen a few weeks ago, was wondering what the remnants of the vanguard are still up to. (Also wondered how he'd react to Margaret having faked hrer famous breakthrough, though imagine he wouldn't have been surprised). In the end, Lilly is remembered as much for a movie about attack dolphins and another on a monyey version of jekyll/hyde as breakthroughs on cognition and isolation and personal samadhi, but I remember him most for being scientific in saying, "an intestine's this long - let's stretch it across the lab and measure it precisely". An attitude of experiential reference Fuller brought too. Gurdjieff: "if you've seen Christ, you're a Christian - all else is just talk".

It is neither easy nor

NCD — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:24:52 +0000

In reply to That is a great mystery and a

It is neither easy nor agreeable to dredge this abyss of viciousness, and yet I think it must be done, because what could be perpetrated yesterday could be attempted again tomorrow, could overwhelm us and our children. One is tempted to turn away with a grimace and close one's mind: this is a temptation one must resist. In fact, the existence of the death squads had a meaning, a message: 'We, the master race, are your destroyers, but you are no better than we are; if we so wish, and we do so wish, we can destroy not only your bodies, but also your souls, just as we have destroyed ours."

From "If this is Man", Primo Levi, 1947

If you think of the quote in

barefooted — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:00:30 +0000

In reply to That is a great mystery and a

If you think of the quote in terms of commonly referred to "fly-over country" Trump voters, it suggests that many different scenes and steps created the dancers who were only secondarily in the same place at the same time.

Exactly this

artappraiser — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 22:57:17 +0000

In reply to Out of the mouths of babes, wiser than their years

Exactly this

Smearing Parkland Students Is a Symptom of the Right’s Ideological Exhaustion

By JEET HEER @ NewRepublic.com, March 28, 2018

BUT the neat thing this time, the hopeful thing about it all is: a high school kid not only gets that, he knows the smart way to fight back. First I'm pleased to see that someone that young gets the whole shtick, the game and doesn't have to have it explained. Second, I have hope that people left of center will finally stop so much troll feeding that has enabled the whole right wing loudmouth industry way past normal shelf life.

That is a great mystery and a

moat — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 22:51:44 +0000

In reply to He keeps it nice, fun and

That is a great mystery and a rock many a wave has broken against. I think exploring the fundamental nature of perception and consciousness is an important step toward addressing it even if it falls well short of a complete (or even tentative) explanation. When we ask for explanations, the requests bring up many things to consider.

Rather than defend Clark from charges of ignoring bad things, I would ask to see his work in the context of those who are struggling to establish first principles. Gregory Bateson is not mentioned in the article but probably should have been. This is where he sees the rubber meet the road:

We have been trained to think of patterns, with the exception of those of music, as fixed affairs. It is easier and lazier that way but, of course, all nonsense. In truth, the right way to begin to think about the pattern which connects is to think of it as primarily (whatever that means) a dance of interacting parts and only secondarily pegged down by various sorts of physical limits and by those limits which organisms characteristically impose.

That thought is going in the opposite direction of keeping everything in tidy boxes in order to classify after having a bit of tea.

He keeps it nice, fun and

NCD — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 21:58:30 +0000

In reply to I didn't read Clark's

He keeps it nice, fun and clean. Ignores of the bad stuff about human behaviors, psychology of mobs, exploitation by demagogues, cults, bigotry, indoctrination etc.

The great mystery of humanity is what goes on in people's heads when a group or nation goes wiilingly and enthusiastically into disaster, a calamity avoidable and foreseen by many others with the same props, models, history etc

I am shocked that they are

artappraiser — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:52:22 +0000

In reply to Ingraham loses 3 advertiser

I am shocked that they are shocked that she likes to present a bitingly mean persona and mocks people all the time.

More and more it seems that there's a lot of lazy ass advertisers who just pick from numbers, could care less what content is until someone informs them by complaining. Heckuva way to build a brand. They could just give me the money by lowering prices, that's the Amazon way. Forget this retailing thing, you all don't even know how to do it anymore.