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Fox News has millions of

rmrd0000 — Tue, 22 May 2018 18:47:25 +0000

In reply to Sara Gilbert: The spark that

Fox News has millions of viewers. Different shows for different folks.

Edit to add:

I find Roseanne offensive.

I watch Black-ish

I’m not calling for boycotts of Barr’s show. Enjoy.

Sara Gilbert: The spark that

Nonny Moose — Tue, 22 May 2018 17:12:22 +0000

In reply to “Roseanne” and the Divided States

Sara Gilbert: The spark that ignited the return of 'Roseanne'
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-sara-gilbert-roseanne-revival-20180522-story.html

Boosted by interest in the reunion of the original cast, the premiere totaled more than 25 million viewers, prompting ABC to quickly renew the revival for a second season. The revival gears up for its May 22 season finale after pulling in a weekly average of around 19 million viewers, placing it neck-to-neck with CBS stalwart "The Big Bang Theory."

Critics are trying to manufacture some evidence of a mean-spirited pro-Trump slant, but Roseanne is basically the same show as it was 20 years ago. If it *was* pro-Trump, I wouldn't waste my time.

Roseanne’s Muslim family

rmrd0000 — Tue, 22 May 2018 13:52:03 +0000

In reply to “Roseanne” and the Divided States

Roseanne’s Muslim family episode is supposed to be “educational”. The fictional Roseanne Conner was allowed to make a joke about two ethnic minority comedies on ABC, “Black-ish” and “Fresh off the Boat”, but an episode of “Black-ish” that was “too controversial” was not allowed to air on the network. Appears a double standard exists for Roseanne.

Vulture

http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/abc-unaired-blackish-episode-kneeling-was-not-the-issue.html

Vanity Fair

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/03/blackish-episode-kneeling-athletes-shelved

It’s a television show. All

rmrd0000 — Mon, 21 May 2018 13:13:41 +0000

In reply to Oh come on, Roseanne is a

It’s a television show. All in the family and the Jeffersons did it better. It is a rehash.

Edit to add:

Roseanne Barr is a Trump supporter playing a fictional Trump supporter in her television series. The real and the fictional are tied together.

Oh come on, Roseanne is a

artappraiser — Mon, 21 May 2018 01:25:07 +0000

In reply to I saw nothing educational on

Oh come on, Roseanne is a character just like Archie Bunker, the writers have liberal educational motives in presenting what they do, no different really than Moliere back in his day in France. She's a character meant to make people think about the type of people she serves as a stereotype for and also meant to make those people think about themselves. It can be argued whether it's realist technique here or satiric hyperbole technique, one thing is very clear: Roseanne is not presented as a heroine or role model to emulate.

I saw nothing educational on

rmrd0000 — Sun, 20 May 2018 23:27:44 +0000

In reply to I think the Arab couple DID

I saw nothing educational on a serious level.

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The fictional Muslim couple was not the problem. Roseanne was the problem.

I think the Arab couple DID

Aaron Carine — Sun, 20 May 2018 22:59:41 +0000

In reply to Here is the message of the

I think the Arab couple DID call her out in a way that was meant to make her feel ashamed, and I think the complaint that they "knew their place" is rather bizarre. They were not being at all deferential or submissive.

Here is the message of the

rmrd0000 — Sun, 20 May 2018 19:04:31 +0000

In reply to You make the assumption that

Here is the message of the episode. Roseanne suspects her neighbors of building a bomb:

Shortly thereafter it’s revealed that the Conner family is broke and can’t pay their internet bill. This is painted as a tragedy mostly because Roseanne’s Black granddaughter needs to Skype her mother who is stationed in Afghanistan. In a effort to help out this noble cause, they attempt to steal wifi from their neighbors using all sorts of ignorant (and Islamophobic) guesses at their password.

When their plan fails, Roseanne is forced to pay her neighbors a visit, in the middle of the night, so she can insult them to their faces while asking to borrow their WiFi password.

For her protection she carries a baseball bat, and the jokes during this scene are particularly cringeworthy. This premise is basically used to allow Barr to make all the crass comments many people in red states and alt-right forums WISH they could make to every Muslim they see. Her face is almost gleeful as she looks the actors in the eyes and delivers her lines.

And during this dehumanizing exchange the Muslims know their place, they over explain intimate details about their lives to their menacing, bat wielding neighbors with a level of grace and poise that would make even Mother Theresa roll her eyes.

The message is clear: Even when white people approach you aggressively and talk to you crazy, it’s your job to explain oppression to them, be charming at all times, and never call them out in a way that will make them feel ashamed or chastised for their blatant disrespect

https://thegrio.com/2018/05/09/roseannes-muslim-neighbor-episode-proves-she-has-a-white-messiah-complex/

It is a pile of steaming feces.

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It sets the same low bar as an episode of Amos N’ Andy when it comes to educating whites about race relations.

You make the assumption that

rmrd0000 — Sun, 20 May 2018 18:44:39 +0000

In reply to The citation from King doesn

You make the assumption that King feels that minorities have the responsibility to educate whites rather than whites educating themselves. That again is based in white supremacy. King felt that many whites felt too superior to put in any effort.

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”

— Where Do We Go From Here, 1967

Whites need to educate themselves.

The citation from King doesn

Aaron Carine — Sun, 20 May 2018 18:20:09 +0000

In reply to It is the bigots

The citation from King doesn't really support your position, because King was saying it is good to educate people out of their prejudices, and you are saying it isn't. The fact is, if we decide we won't do anything to educate people, there will be more ignorance and prejudice. The point of the episode was "racists are wrong, many Arabs are decent people". I don't think that is the same as "Arabs must spend their lives proving that they aren't terrorists" I don't think the Arab couple showed kindness to Roseanne's granddaughter because they felt they had to prove something; they felt sincere compassion for the little girl. I think the logic of your and Ruffin's position might require us to oppose any positive depictions of Arabs in the media. I don't think that would serve any good purpose. Anyway, that is what I think; agree who will.