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surprise surprise:

artappraiser — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 06:38:17 +0000

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surprise surprise:

He’s running. https://t.co/1ET4AI776v
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) June 4, 2018

Here is another death by

rmrd0000 — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 15:47:27 +0000

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Here is another death by police. A suspicious black man was gunned down while waiting for his friends at a Walmart. The man was unarmed. The car was not stolen. Police were called to “help”.

https://www.theroot.com/dianteyarber-california-cops-gun-down-father-of-three-1825341663

Calling police on a black man can be a terrorist act.

Starbucks showed Other how to

rmrd0000 — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 10:58:00 +0000

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Starbucks showed Other how to deal with racist employees. Isolated comments from black employees do not suggest Starbucks is racist. The big issue being overlooked is police abuse fear of black bodies the police could have killed these guys if the six police officers, including bike cops felt threatened. Bike cops were the first on the scene when Freddie Gray was murdered. The six police officers should have controlled the situation better. The NRA is part of a society that promotes fear of black bodies. Police abuse is the core problem here.

Edit to add:

There was a black officer at Starbucks. He did nothing. The black police commissioner backs his offers. The manager knew the Philly PD would do her bidding and humiliate the two black men. The organization that needs change is the Philly PD. The Mayor needs pressure to control the police. That is the responsibility of the citizens of Philadelphia.

How has Starbucks "forced the

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 09:21:42 +0000

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How has Starbucks "forced the hand of other corporations"?
What does the NRA have to do with it?

I I think a critical mass of

rmrd0000 — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 09:01:56 +0000

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I I think a critical mass of whites already realize that the playing field is not equal. I noted that the Parkland kids and the Starbucks patrons voiced opposition to racism. We need people in power politically to rid us of obstructionist Republicans. Starbucks has already forced the hand of other corporations. We have a coalition. We are winning over the public. The NRA,for example, is seen as a crazed organization..

Your examples tend to be

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:29:00 +0000

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Your examples tend to be confrontation, getting arrested, bringing the opposition down, or more training, or these professional development efforts which are essentially a type of affirmative action.

I'm talking about something that spins off Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, but can be facilitated by the increased corporate power and community presence of a Starbucks - i.e. supporting ethical behavior at an extensive grassroots level, a reach none of these OWS or BLMs have anything close to, nor the funding that a $24 billion per year revenue/$4 billion per year profit has - they can write off more support in a year than non-profits can raise in a decade. And now Starbucks has some motivation, to be one of the good guys, part of the community, rather than an exploiter just out to sell a cup of joe & screw the locals.

Also, Parkland's appeal is largely the mass voices appealing to common sense. Just like I thought the Arab Spring got derailed by using armed action rather than the initial non-violent crowds-in-the-street, I think it would be a shame if Parkland just became about threatening sponsors, rather than ordinary kids who seem wiser beyond their years speaking up to adults who seem brazenly senseless about obvious dangerous problems.

People have been threatened enough, without much success. Even #TakeAKnee, which was a simple non-threatening gesture of recognition of a huge problem turned into a culture wars phenom that kind of succeeded but not nearly as well as one would presume. So we need more kumbaya hand-holding activism.

And perhaps one racist reason that Parkland caught on while others didn't was that the black kids weren't leading - the posters and snaps were much more white & brown that probably Americans find less scary. And while this sucks, badly, if there's a massive way to improve the situation, even if non-ideal on the optics and leadership and what-not, I'm game.

Already sent it to the CEO of

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:15:03 +0000

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Already sent it to the CEO of Starbucks.

I admit my confusion. I give

rmrd0000 — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 03:05:00 +0000

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I admit my confusion. I give some historical references like MLK. You suggest that he had an old style approach. However, you mention Jesse Jackson, an old style guy, as an example of what we need now. The way that I view the situation is that leverage was used in Charleston to bring about change, as small as it was. Corporate leverage was used in Parkland to bring about small change in gun laws. The Urban League uses leverage to get more black executives in boardrooms. In Silicon Valley, blacks are creating organizations that are geared to create the tech professionals who can jobs or start their companies

https://moguldom.com/18890/silicon-valleys-hidden-gem-graduate-education-for-minorities-helps-underrepresented-grad-students-do-stem/

Google has a satellite campus at Howard an HBCU. Leverage is being applied.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/google-opens-satellite-campus-howard-university-students-n737791

Silicon Valley has a reputation for not being welcoming for black people, so other industries are chosen.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3054099/the-reasons-why-there-arent-more-black-engineers-in-silicon-valley

Getting funding to scale up targeted programs will not happen with a Republican administration. People have not been standing still. Progress has been slow but resistance to change has been great. I see leverage being applied.

Investing takes cash access

rmrd0000 — Tue, 17 Apr 2018 22:42:00 +0000

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Investing takes cash access to cash is difficult for black business.

Some startups have managed to succeed without investors

https://www.fastcompany.com/40539183/how-these-black-founders-are-building-startups-without-investors

Who is succeeding using your plan?

Edit to add:

Can you provide a more detailed explanation of your idea?

I don't think the OWS was a

moat — Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:48:10 +0000

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I don't think the OWS was a waste. It was knocked down by powerful forces in the city and the people involved were not able to turn it into something else. But there is a little bit of the idea in these new protests.

The thing about the OWS protest that is worthy of respect is the recognition that power is not living on another planet. It has an address and you can stand outside of the building where it lives and own that place.

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surprise surprise:

Here is another death by

Starbucks showed Other how to

How has Starbucks "forced the

I I think a critical mass of

Your examples tend to be

Already sent it to the CEO of

I admit my confusion. I give

Investing takes cash access

I don't think the OWS was a

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