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It's Milbank's article, so I

barefooted — Sat, 26 May 2018 00:52:36 +0000

In reply to That was one of my reactions

It's Milbank's article, so I think how he'd respond is fairly evident. He's a not-to-far leftist and likes to think that the Democratic party is moving in his direction, so naturally he believes ... what he said.

That was one of my reactions

AmericanDreamer — Fri, 25 May 2018 20:41:39 +0000

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That was one of my reactions/questions on reading the piece as well. I'd be interested in how Milbank would respond.

"Populists and progressives

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 25 May 2018 20:04:55 +0000

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"Populists and progressives are the Democratic establishment now" - huh? care to explain? What's happened to those dreaded "centrists" and cursed "neolibs" - earth just swallowd them up?

"If Democrats are having a

AmericanDreamer — Fri, 25 May 2018 19:22:03 +0000

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"If Democrats are having a civil war, nobody told the voters", Dana Milbank, WaPo op-ed today:

To peruse the coverage of the Democratic primaries of 2018, you’d think there was a battle royale within the Democratic Party: insurgent vs. establishment, Bernie vs. Hillary, progressive vs. moderate, grass roots vs. party bosses.

There’s been mention of a “battle between progressives and moderates” (the Guardian), a Democratic “identity crisis” (The Post), a “full-blown Democratic war” (CNN), a “civil war” (Fox News) and a “fight for the future of the Democratic Party” (BuzzFeed).

But if a civil war has been declared, somebody forgot to tell Democratic voters. They are stubbornly refusing to view 2018 through the progressive/moderate, insurgent/establishment lens.

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That’s why the left-vs.-center and insurgency-vs.-establishment constructs don’t fit this year. Politico reported this week that Our Revolution is in “disarray,” with “no ability to tip a major Democratic election.” Yet two months ago, after only two primaries, Politico reported that “the Bernie wing” had already won “the battle for supremacy” in the party.

Contradictory? Not really. Populists and progressives are the Democratic establishment now. No insurgency needed. The Democratic donnybrook is a phony war.

Second top official resigns

artappraiser — Fri, 25 May 2018 01:54:47 +0000

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Second top official resigns from Bernie Sanders group

A co-vice chair of Our Revolution who accused the group of insensitivity toward Latinos parts ways in the wake of a POLITICO report.

@ Politico.com, Updated 05/24/2018 12:26 PM EDT

I've no idea what you're

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 23 May 2018 16:13:31 +0000

In reply to I think *everyone* was

I've no idea what you're talking about - you lost me. More concreteness, please...

I think everyone was

AmericanDreamer — Wed, 23 May 2018 14:42:56 +0000

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I think *everyone* was sympathetic with most of Bernie's causes, and the issues were doability, ramifications, political repercussions, etc.

FWIW I strongly disagree with that. There really are different values, different visions, different assessments of our current situation, what could/might/must happen, how long we have, different problems and risks different people are willing to live with. And they do not break down at all cleanly along Clinton-Sanders tribe lines in my estimation, no matter that some see it that way and seem heavily invested or self-imprisoned in doing so.

You weren't the only person commenting who misinterpreted what I wrote, which was nuanced, that thing some of you here say you like so much and want to insist on, except maybe on the matter of the Clinton vs. Sanders tribes. Where, for some apparently, it's white and black, the forces of sober responsible reason, pragmatism, and intelligence vs. the forces of the great greedy unwashed, something-for-nothing riffraff who have fallen for dark evil or soft-minded utopian, but certainly ignorant, yahoo "populism"--no distinctions made. For others, in the other camp, it's, well, any of you can fill in those blanks just as well. The competing narratives are self-evident, right?

It conveyed a contempt

artappraiser — Wed, 23 May 2018 01:11:58 +0000

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It conveyed a contempt towards dealing with "technocratic" details over policy proposals

Sounds familiar. History teaches there's often not a lick of difference between the results of populism of this kind whether executed by passionate ideologues or an egomaniac dictator. The angel is often in the details.

Yeah bureaucracy sucks, but is it really impossible to keep on its ass?

Democrats ran Joe Lieberman

rmrd0000 — Tue, 22 May 2018 18:49:11 +0000

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Democrats ran Joe Lieberman and Sanders.

Suckas!

Bernie Sanders is running for

NCD — Tue, 22 May 2018 18:28:19 +0000

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Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination in Vermont — but he won’t accept it if he wins. The move makes it virtually impossible for another Democrat to seek the party’s nod.

The famously independent senator... officially announced Monday that he would seek a third term in the Senate this fall. He also said that he’ll pull the same maneuver that he did in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races: Running as a Democrat, declining the nomination when he wins and then running as an independent.