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Back up for Bruni:

artappraiser — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 01:30:00 +0000

In reply to From Frank Bruni @ NYTimes:

Back up for Bruni (and troll fighters of all kinds):

Via @peterbakernyt and @katierogers, Trump’s critics try to outdo him, and sometimes punch themselves in the face in the process https://t.co/DuI06geJvJ
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) June 21, 2018

If we're disagreeing about

barefooted — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 16:58:08 +0000

In reply to "Saying it wasn't fair does

If we're disagreeing about something here, I'm missing it.

Comey used private email - as

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 06:15:01 +0000

In reply to "Saying it wasn't fair does

Comey used private email - as does the Trump gang (and private unsecured phone). Only a problem when the bitch does it, and even Democrats are hypocritical about that - what was ffairly obvious, common (but in her case contained) was made a scandal, and none of the Democrats who got upset about this will scream about Trump and Comey's use, because IOKIYAR. It was even ok for Bush and Trump to delete and not maintain records - but then Dems get anal about their own crew where every foible matters. Suckered again, bigtime.

So James Comey, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have all used private email to conduct government business, and Trump himself uses an unsecured phone. The fake outrage about Hillary Clinton has been exposed. Democrats cannot allow Republican narratives to define our candidates. https://t.co/P2XxQvvfxs
— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) June 14, 2018

"Saying it wasn't fair does

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 05:42:08 +0000

In reply to And that should be what we do

"Saying it wasn't fair does what, exactly?" - uh, it keeps us focused and angry and realistic - why we need the Mueller investigation to continue, why they want it to stop, why the "bipartisan" went away, why they're doing scorched earth on policy, why they'll cheat again in November if we don't stop it, why they'll get us to cripple an Al Franken with no sense of irony, etc. This election was stolen. November isn't just a mid-term - it's an accounting on top of a long long rapsheet including an act of war by a foreign power.

You said this better than I

CVille Dem — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 02:05:15 +0000

In reply to No, they didn't "win" the

You said this better than I have ever seen in print. Thank you.

Agree, PP...see..link for

NCD — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 01:36:05 +0000

In reply to No, they didn't "win" the

Agree, PP...see..link for whole thing.

These days the Right no longer has even a rudimentary moral exoskeleton capable of holding it upright against the gravitational pull of its own depravity And the Both Siderist crutch the media has been using for 20 years to prop up the corpse of the GOP into a grotesque caricature of relative respectability is steadily disintegrating.

The Fall of the Right has arrived.

And as they fall, they are trying to drag as much of the rest of the world down with them, which means we are now fully within the interregnum, and the only thing that remains to be decided -- the only thing that remains within our power to change -- is how long with this period of Conservative barbarism will last and how catastrophic it will be?

And that should be what we do

barefooted — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:55:31 +0000

In reply to No, they didn't "win" the

And that should be what we do too - blood. She's not questioning herself. We shouldn't be questioning ourselves - even this week we had Trump mouthing lines Putin put in his mouth. This is war, not a fairly lost election. Money funneled through the NRA, money funneled through different banks, magically appearing in hotels, Giuliani's rogue group with the FBI, etc., etc., etc

Exactly.

And when did I say it was fairly lost? Facts are that Trump is our president and Hillary isn't, and whatever it takes to make sure we don't get outsmarted, outfoxed and out maneuvered again works for me. We can shout at clouds about 2016 until we lose our voices or we can make damn sure it doesn't happen again. And if that means a "Fuck Trump" on television at an awards show, a lawyer like Avenatti shitting documents all over Twitter or a long time, respected Dagger using her voice for something more than whining then count my voice with theirs.

We lost the election, Peracles. It's done. Saying it wasn't fair does what, exactly? If we're truly lucky as a country Trump will fail without destroying us in the process and history will record something at least close enough to the truth of it to satisfy those of us still around to appreciate the effort. 'Til then, we have to fight for it, throw those sharp elbows and bring on the blood, because if we don't start playing on the same field they're on - all of them - history will tell a far different story.

No, they didn't "win" the

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:12:00 +0000

In reply to No. "We" won the popular

No, they didn't "win" the Electoral College vote - they cheated, big time - grossly illegally. I don't cry over sharp elbows, I've played hockey & football. But this is wholescale treason. And our intelligence agencies dropped the ball big time on this - worse than 9/11, since that was a one-shot, hard to defend against. This was a years-long effort.

And the worst thing is that people like you still believe we lost, meaning we should have cowed down and done something even worse to have less effect based on all the illegal activities, the full-court press going on. Nope. We won. And they stole it. And worse, they planned the steal for years. It wasn't about whether Hillary went to Wisconsin or campaigned in Michigan or said "deplorables". They knew they were going to have a skinny percent whatever happened, and they knew the states would never recount the votes or check the machines properly, and they knew they'd kick X number of people off the rolls as needed, etc., etc., etc. Look at the Stormy Daniels "settlement" - they had her lawyer talking to Trump's lawyer behind her back. It was a total setup, and she's coming back pissed - now she has Avenatti, he's coming for blood. And that should be what we do too - blood. She's not questioning herself. We shouldn't be questioning ourselves - even this week we had Trump mouthing lines Putin put in his mouth. This is war, not a fairly lost election. Money funneled through the NRA, money funneled through different banks, magically appearing in hotels, Giuliani's rogue group with the FBI, etc., etc., etc

No. "We" won the popular

barefooted — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 23:22:36 +0000

In reply to Nonsense - we won, but our

No. "We" won the popular vote, but Trump won the Electoral College vote - which is how the law regarding elections works. So unless you're arguing to change that specific act of law enforcement by stopping it (which is a debate we need to have as a country), simply needing the law didn't help. Perhaps this time a bigger cannon will.

The media in general is what

barefooted — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 23:14:03 +0000

In reply to Just a suggestion based on

The media in general is what I had in mind when I wrote my comment in response to something Ramona had written just above. And from her response to me in return I think she got it. 'Nuff said (unless you want to carry on, in which case feel free).