dagblog - Comments for "Obsessed With Civility"

Any good commenter knows that

barefooted — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:47:42 +0000

In reply to But but but...I didn't know I

Any good commenter knows that you should always anticipate your own later comments as well as those of others extending out at least 72 hours. Where ya been?

But but but...I didn't know I

AmericanDreamer — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:58:10 +0000

In reply to I chose in earlier thread

But but but...I didn't know I'd be referring to that idea later. My comments aren't, too frequently, lengthy enough as it is (rhetorical question)? I figure--at least once in a while, and perhaps more often than that--I should try harder to avoid commenting on, or trying to anticipate, too many points.

I chose in earlier thread

barefooted — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 21:46:15 +0000

In reply to I'm not sure if you feel as

I chose in earlier thread comments not to be explicit on intentional violence against political opponents as a form of incivility. I thought the possibility of some forms of incivility degenerating or escalating into physical violence was something that others here would be well aware of, and concerned about, without having to be explicit about that.

Sometimes it's a good idea to be explicit if you wish to later refer to the idea in an explicit manner. At least for me it's easier to keep up. ;-)

I'm not sure if you feel as

AmericanDreamer — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 20:31:26 +0000

In reply to Forgive my lack of

I'm not sure if you feel as though you received a response you were looking for on this, bf, or, if not, want one at this point.

I think of incivility as a continuum ranging, near one end, from what to my way of thinking are really grey, borderline area kinds of actions such as those of the teacher who confronted Pruitt in the restaurant, on the one hand, where arguably what she did is not even uncivil, vs. intentional use of increasingly dangerous forms of physical violence against a political opponent, at or near the other end of an incivility continuum, on the other.

I have a concern that when there is tit-for-tat, the climate becomes even more toxic. Some may be influenced to initiate actions more towards the violent end of the spectrum. The risk of escalation of a specific incident, such that each response leads to a spiral of responses and counter-responses moving towards the violent end of the spectrum, can become greater. The likelihood of innocents being harmed increases. Some forms of resistance may be viewed as unacceptable by some otherwise open to voting the GOP out in November and beyond.

The argument that incivility is either desirable or necessary at this point to rev up the Democratic party's base, not offered by you so far as I know, does not make any sense to me whatever, given all that has transpired and the revulsion and anger so many Trump administration and GOP congressional actions have elicited.

It seemed clear enough to me that not only are there disagreements among those in this thread about the use of incivility as a tactic--where, when and how it might be thought helpful for the Trump opposition--but that there are different interpretations or understandings among participants in this thread about what they mean by "incivility". I also wrote that I don't think incivility is always unjustifiable.

I'm not asking if you agree or not--I know from what you wrote that you don't--or looking to provoke further discussion on this already much-discussed matter at this time.

Perhaps with 13 different

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 09:57:30 +0000

In reply to Incivility did not prevent

Perhaps with 13 different ethics violations being investigated over the past year, there's no real conclusions we can draw from a single encounter. This is a guy who supposedly flew 1st class because he was worried about being confronted so much - presumably uncivil - and that was one of his first scandals. So no, incivility is probably irrelevant in this case, and more relevant is whether Trump felt Pruitt still an option for replacing Sessions or doing his bang-up job of ruining the environment, or if he'd passed his shelflife of being useful to the King rather than a PR disaster. Seems it was the latter, so under the bus he went.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018

ocean-kat — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 04:54:49 +0000

In reply to Incivility works. A

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/trump-fired-scott-pruitt-without-talkin...

John Kelly, Trump’s chief of staff, was the one to call the Environmental Protection Agency chief and ask for his resignation.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/05/why-scott-pruitt-resigned-epa-...

How Scott Pruitt blew it

Trump had grown tired of the torrent of negative stories about him and had come to believe they were a distraction that wouldn’t go away.

The public protests will

rmrd0000 — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 01:34:03 +0000

In reply to Perceptive comment. I think

The public protests will continue as will the incivility.p

Appreciate the input on my

artappraiser — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 00:57:46 +0000

In reply to Perceptive comment. I think

Appreciate the input on my theorizing. As again, I have respect that you are well-read on this issue.

Attributable to (?):

NCD — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 00:35:23 +0000

In reply to It seems as though Nielsen

Attributable to (?):

1. "Induced compliance", subtle pressures of conformity and comradeship within a group operating under an overriding ideology.

2. "Organizational culture sets boundaries for acceptable behaviors".

Newman, Leonard S., "The Social Psychology of the Holocaust", Oxford Press, 2002.

It seems as though Nielsen

ocean-kat — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 23:55:17 +0000

In reply to Pruitt is a coward, Nielsen

It seems as though Nielsen has pledged herself to Trump but before that she was known as an immigration moderate. She supported a path to citizenship for DACA recipients which opponents called amnesty and they fought against her nomination as head of Homeland Security. Most believe she only got the job because of her friendship with Kelly, hand picked by him, back in the day when Kelly had most of the power in Trump's White House. One has to wonder what's going on with her.