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I've lost track.

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:28:19 +0000

I've lost track.

Has NYT done as many stories on Dersh being shunned on Martha's Vineyard as they have on the aftermath of Maria in Puerto Rico?

Or not quite yet?
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 7, 2018

You were the one who made

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 16:36:02 +0000

In reply to You focus more on attacking

You were the one who made comments about outreach to blacks who were threatening not to vote.

Schumer and Pelosi were

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 16:34:09 +0000

In reply to So who is talking about

Schumer and Pelosi were talking about civility that it why they criticized Maxine Waters. In return, they received pushback from black activists.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/07/05/nearly-200-black-women-blast-schumer-and-pelosi-for-failing-to-protect-rep-maxine-waters-from-attacks/

Schumer and Pelosi are among those willing to give the media fodder for the media incivility argument.

You focus more on attacking

artappraiser — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 16:21:23 +0000

In reply to The civility argument is a

You focus more on attacking Liberals and Democrats

Not at all. I will admit I have focused on criticizing just one self-described liberal Democrat: you. Because you constantly argue against straw men, which means you don't try to improve communication with others. You constantly change the subject of any discussion to what you want to preach about, setting up straw men to do it with. I think if you came to my door to do "outreach", I would be really turned off, as you wouldn't be listening to my concerns and showing interest in discussion, but talking about what you wanted to talk about and giving me a list of what I needed to do for you.

And how is it a "unity, everyone get out and vote Dem" argument to complain about the Democratic leadership being out of touch? Certainly sounds like you don't like the Dem party as it is, constantly sounds like it, as a matter of fact.

So who is talking about

artappraiser — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 16:08:17 +0000

In reply to The civility argument is that

So who is talking about civility?

....This is not a plea for civility...

~ Kareem Abdul Jabbar, "Trump's opponents have the moral high-ground. Let's not squander it"

The civility argument is that

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 15:58:41 +0000

In reply to Well, my Dad voted for Obama

The civility argument is that incivility will chase away voters. According to this theory, voters care more about civility than they do about racism, misogyny, and kidnapping babies. All we need to do to make these voters Democrats is to be civil and craft a non- identity politics message. What this message will be as the stock market rises and unemployment remains low is unclear.

The civility doesn’t matter argument is that more voters are angry about Trump racism, misogyny, kidnapping, etc. than they are about incivility They are angry that Schumer and Pelosi show weakness and criticize Maxine Waters. I believe that this is the larger group. They want to see strength from Democrats and are willing to black strength at the polls.

I see no evidence that civility draws more voters than it loses.

Well, my Dad voted for Obama

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 15:28:21 +0000

In reply to The base that didn’t turn out

Well, my Dad voted for Obama but I think he as dead by the time Hillary ran. I should jump to all sorts of conclusions about that.
Gonna take the plunge into Netflix's "Dear White People" - going for my 2nd MBA.

The base that didn’t turn out

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 14:16:37 +0000

In reply to All ur base's r belong 2 us.

The base that didn’t turn out for Hillary.

All ur base's r belong 2 us.

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 13:07:35 +0000

In reply to The civility argument is a

All ur base's r belong 2 us. Who is this base of which you speak? I heard similar presumptions 2 years ago.

The civility argument is a

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 12:55:02 +0000

In reply to Try to keep up. That was the

The civility argument is a distraction.

Most conversations between Liberals and Conservatives in the real world are cordial.

I work to get out the vote.

Democratic leadership is out of touch with the base

The base sees Schumer and Pelosi as weak

The base feels that criticizing Maxine Waters was not wise.

The base realizes that Pruitt’s replacement will be worse

The Supreme Court appointment is a lost cause.

We are still imprisoning immigrant families.

You focus more on attacking Liberals and Democrats than doing outreach to communities Democrats need to win elections. We need outreach to a wide range of voters, whether they are currently enthusiastic or not. You are willing to ignore potential voters. The civility argument is a distraction.