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Interesting comment from

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 05:14:58 +0000

Interesting comment from Marcy - that the press has boggled the reporting so bad, she just may need to go to DC to explain to Republicans.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/07/15/dragons-caught-in-the-crossfire-on...

Perhaps it's not a silly

ocean-kat — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 23:27:25 +0000

In reply to It wasn't meant to be a silly

Perhaps it's not a silly question in theory but it seems to be silly to ask it here. I doubt there's a single person here that would prefer anything Trump does in any situation on any issue to Obama no matter how much they might criticize Obama.

National Security Advisor

artappraiser — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 23:06:09 +0000

In reply to More details on those Russian hack indictments

National Security Advisor John Bolton: 'Hard to believe' Putin didn't know about election hack

@ NYDaily News, has all the money quotes from his appearance on ABC’s “This Week” this morning....otherwise I'd say it's a "developing" so why bother tracking down more right now

Trump shares Putin's goals

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:23:00 +0000

In reply to It wasn't meant to be a silly

Trump shares Putin's goals and none of ours - it will be a disaster. It's like wondering whether Meyer Lansky talking to Al Capone might bring about something good - fuck no, just 2 shades of awful.

BTW, Moon of Alabama is attacking the indictments full on - making Glenn Greenwald look subtle even.

Because it's like remembering

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:18:03 +0000

In reply to A very interesting article

Because it's like remembering 9/11, especially if you were involved, especially if it was 1 year ago, especially if it's happening again.

People are still blaming Hillary for losing. We've learned little from our debacle, and our messaging is still tepid and often missing the mark. It's like we keep asking if Japan was involved with Pearl Harbor and barely how it was done.

It wasn't meant to be a silly

barefooted — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 03:10:47 +0000

In reply to That's a silly question. I'd

It wasn't meant to be a silly question, but perhaps it seemed that way to you. If any president talks to any leader of an adversarial nation, it is by definition a situation fraught with not only peril but possibly dire circumstances - agreed? As I understood your comment, it was a sarcastic measure of Obama choosing to talk to Putin, but not much else. And the difference between Trump deciding to do so is?

We've yet to see how the act of talking between Trump and Putin will turn out, but I have my doubts that it will create anything that we, as a country, can call positive.

That's a silly question. I'd

ocean-kat — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 02:55:31 +0000

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That's a silly question. I'd prefer any of the presidents or possible presidents to Trump. I'd prefer Hillary, Romney, McCain, both Bush, Reagan, Kerry, and Obama. Anyone would be better than the worse president in my lifetime. I think history will judge Obama harshly as a feckless president. I agree with Wolraich's most recent post:

I hope he delivers a hell of a speech, but my expectations are low. I don't feel that Obama has ever had a clear grasp of the tectonic changes that are shifting the political world under our feet. He used to describe Republican hostility as a "fever" that would eventually break on its own. It's not a fever, it's an evolution, or rather a devolution.

I don't think he understood the nature of the times or the nature of his opposition. I don't think Obama was a good leader. I predicted this in 2008. His skill lies in being the mediator that brings two sides together. It's his resume all his life. It's the story of his time as head of the Harvard Law Review. What he never understood is to mediate between two sides both sides have to want to compromise and the republicans never wanted to. What he never learned was how to lead.

He was given a large majority in the house and 60 votes in the senate and what did he do with it? A stimulus bill that any democratic congress would pass that was over loaded with tax cuts instead of spending. I give him almost no credit for it. I credit the congress. And the ACA. Everything Obama did made it worse. It really is Obamacare because his foolish desire to get just one republican vote watered it down with unneccessary compromises. In the end for nothing as not one single republican voted for the law largely designed by the republican Heritage Society.

I could go on. The problems with immigration were largely caused by Obama. Rather than taking action early in his term he became know as the deportation president in a foolish effort to prove to republicans he was serious about border control. He truly believed that would get republicans to compromise on immigration. His foreign policy was hands off most everywhere but especially in Central America where gang warfare destabilized a few states and cause the immigration crisis. Central American immigration isn't really an immigration problem, it's a refugee crisis similar except in severity to the Middle East refugee crisis Europe has been dealing with.

He didn't start the Iraq War or Afghanistan War so I don't blame him for it. Maybe nothing could have been done to end either of those wars or to stop the War in Syria. That's exactly what Obama decided to do, nothing. America is mostly to blame for the refugee crisis in Europe and he did nothing to deal with it. Now radicalized anti immigrant populists are rising in power across Europe. I mostly blame Obama for it. I could forgive him for mistakes and failures if he had taken action. But I don't forgive him for his lethargy as the world devolved into chaos.

As opposed to Trump talking

barefooted — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:40:33 +0000

In reply to That sounds exactly like

As opposed to Trump talking to Putin? Which do you prefer?

That sounds exactly like

ocean-kat — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:16:05 +0000

In reply to Everyone who thinks Mitch

That sounds exactly like Obama. He knew but was so afraid of making a mistake he did nothing. Oh wait, he talked to Putin. That's his only skill. I'm sure the oration was beautifully performed.

You're likely right, though

barefooted — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:11:20 +0000

In reply to as he says Everyone who

You're likely right, though anyone who's reading him is likely aware of not only the article but the published book that's been shopped around. Obama's response has been well documented, so unless there's a left-wing cave somewhere (and that's more than likely) folks know this. I still wish he had framed it as more of a remember this? than a must read now. It's common for the former to pop up - obvious reasons abound.