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I simply addressed why Trump

rmrd0000 — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:51:30 +0000

I simply addressed why Trump came up in the mix of causes for bogus police calls. Nothing more, nothing less. Republicans as a group are also included in why these cases occur. Republicans are no longer doing dog whistles, they have taken to racist bullhorns. We want legislators and law enforcement to find solutions to people being put at risk for bogus police calls. The number of incidents is of lesser importance than the risk interactions with police pose.

We get it. You believe a

artappraiser — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:38:14 +0000

In reply to I was addressing the point

We get it. You believe a president, and especially this president, strongly affects society as a role model. You've messaged that a gazillion times. The problem is that you write as if everyone on Dagblog plans to vote for him and you must perform a jihad to convince us not to. As if.

Even if one disagrees about how much the presidential role model affects society (some might actually think the opposite, that a nasty president, just like a nasty boss, creates solidarity against him when there was little before) I just don't grok the reason for passionately repeating ad nauseum on this site that he is a racist. We know. And except for one user which you rarely interact with, we don't think of him as a role model.

What would be the purpose of continally trying to change someone's mind here to the P.O.V. that Trump is the main one causing more people to act racist when they wouldn't if he weren't there? And that racist incidents and beliefs are increasing because of him? What do you get from that? He's still there. But you seem to want to make people who don't necessarily agree with you on that one point into the enemy, when they want Trump gone too.

I was addressing the point

rmrd0000 — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:01:35 +0000

In reply to Perhaps didn't make it clear:

I was addressing the point about why the calls were occurring. As you note, it may not be Trump, but Trump comes up in discussion of causes for a reason. If you see Trump calling a black woman a dog and black men SOBs, it is not unreasonable to assume Trump is giving license to consider black people threats.

Perhaps didn't make it clear:

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 17:14:49 +0000

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Perhaps didn't make it clear: the comments referenced in the tweets showed a lot of wrong suspicious calls to police - referencing Trump doesn't provide much background info as to why more calls are happening (if they are). Like it'd be nice to focus on 1 question at athe time.

Trump enters into the picture

rmrd0000 — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 14:51:58 +0000

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Trump enters into the picture because he is doing nothing to help the situation. Similarly, Republicans are known for for trying to keep blacks from voting. Dislike for Trump and his fellow travelers would remain even if hate crime numbers were precise and there was a downward trend

Celebrities get attention, but the protest marches. we’re for the unknowns.

# of calls re: blacks may be

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:17:27 +0000

In reply to The method used to determine

# of calls re: blacks may be higher than anecdotal as I implied - would be good to know if an actual trend and why (can easily blame it on Trump, but likely other reasons).
Anyway, this tweetfest got me thinking (including a gun pointed at Marsellus' head when he opened the door, not that everything has to involve a celebrity)
https://twitter.com/MiLLkeSmooV/status/1030428746426277888

The method used to determine

rmrd0000 — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 23:05:11 +0000

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The method used to determine the number of hate crimes is clearly flawed. Groups who are possible targets of hate crimes do not breathe sighs of relief when numbers go down. The homicide rate has gone down in many urban areas. The community wants even lower numbers.

Many communities do feel that there should be extra penalties when people are targeted specifically for being a member of a target group. Prosecutors are going to use hate crime laws to send a message that these crimes are associated with higher legal penalties.

An argument for hate crime laws despite the flaws in counting numbers

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/29/levin.hate.law/index.html

NCD — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 21:33:15 +0000

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The other hate article AA posted had this, AA calling these not so reassuring facts "nuance":.

...Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism, said it was too early to predict whether the multiyear uptrend in hate crimes would be reversed in 2018. “The bottom line is we’re quite happy that in some cities hate crimes are down, but they’re not down in all of them and you can’t really make a full-year prediction, particularly at a time when we’re so polarized with only the half year in,” Levin said.

Levin said there is a “cyclicality” to hate crimes, with the latter quarters of the year showing a larger number of incidents. He also noted that while overall hate crimes fell in major cities, those involving violence, including assault and aggravated assault, rose.

Hate crime laws might be making a difference, at least in the sense that some of the more minor types of hate crimes are decreasing in certain areas, while the more hard, violent ones are going up,” he said.

BTW, could be a Malheur Refuge type Trumper on the Manafort jury.

Trump is jury tampering to confirm the "witch hunt".....rest assured, Dershowitz would say it's the prerogative of a President, as chief law enforcement officer, to use his power to influence a jury's verdict.

Rarely is any crime committed

ocean-kat — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 20:50:03 +0000

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Rarely is any crime committed without thought and police almost always investigate the thought crimes that lead up to the actual crime. A son removes the equipment keeping his mother alive. In one case she was in extreme pain and begged her son to remove the life sustaining equipment. In another the mother made no such requests. The son was in debt and wanted his inheritance. Same crime, same punishment? Or should the thoughts behind the crime be investigated and perhaps affect the punishment? This is why we don't have a crime of murder but several crimes related to murder all with slightly different definitions and punishments. The thought behind the crime almost always matters and is always part of the investigation whether it's deemed a "hate" crime or not.

And much of the stuff that

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 19:09:53 +0000

In reply to I do believe there still is a

And much of the stuff that "increased" was say graffiti or comments, which were down last year over previous years. But actual physical acts of violence were down. Maybe threats as well, I forget. But it's like someone wading into a report and they're going to pull out something to support concern trolling, & then they interview 1 person who's considering leaving as a thorough background to the story, with an "expert" saying there might be more. (not that Brexit doesn't have a helluva lot of people fleeing the UK, much bigger numbers than these guys are discussing). Just worth considering how the news is baked these days.