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“Social credit is like a

artappraiser — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 03:22:05 +0000

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“When social credit is fully implemented, what she puts into the cart could impact her social score…

Buying too much alcohol may suggest dependence; she’ll lose a couple points. But buying diapers may suggest responsibility; she’ll gain a few points.” https://t.co/HgoreEvQeq
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) September 20, 2018

not 200% related but I wanted

artappraiser — Thu, 20 Sep 2018 00:53:59 +0000

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not 100% related, but thought intriguing enough to post it somewhere people interested in China might see:

Hi. This is Melissa. Your country made it really inconvenient for me to report on China. Like, you kicked me out. And when I was there, thugs chased our news team around everywhere. https://t.co/Qvs71r4rII
— Melissa Chan (@melissakchan) September 19, 2018

Mad as hell and not going to

artappraiser — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 03:52:54 +0000

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Mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. You never know, could be the Chinese version of Randall Weaver/Ruby Ridge:

I think Killdozer might have just been topped. https://t.co/B5XLKaFk1Q
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) September 5, 2018

Another cheery article:

artappraiser — Fri, 24 Aug 2018 04:07:34 +0000

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Another cheery article:

Welcome to the Age of Privacy Nihilism by Ian Bogost @ TheAtlantic.com, Aug. 23

Google and Facebook are easy scapegoats, but companies have been collecting, selling, and reusing your personal data for decades, and now that the public has finally noticed, it’s too late. The personal-data privacy war is long over, and you lost.

Reminds me that I posted this other one that's on a more philosophical level a week ago. I found it quite good and not as depressing. I guess because pondering these things within another frame gives one a sense of control, similar to therapy with a psychologist, I guess? I.E. if you know exactly how it's hurting how you want to live, that's the first step to possibly handling some of the damage:

SELF-INVASIONS & INVADED SELF: HIDDEN INJURIES IN AGE OF EXPOSURE

What were we talking about?

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 04:52:02 +0000

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What were we talking about? Who are you?

Yes it's a choice based on a

ocean-kat — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 04:37:25 +0000

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Yes it's a choice based on a cost/benefit analysis of my situation and life style. I have no reason to hide my situation, the details of my cost/benefit analysis, or my personal fix for the difficulties the choice presents but those personal details aren't very pertinent to the discussion. I haven't had a phone for decades. The point is that 10 or 20 years ago that created no problems but now it does and those problems are increasing. It's getting to the point where it's getting harder to exist in modern society without a phone. You ask, How does this affect people who have no smart phones? I suspect in the future there will be no one without a smart phone.

imo NCD is posting the most astute analysis of the problem of data gathering and tracking. The hazard is to the nation as a whole. The government will be your only protection from the metadata files collected by multinational corporations and social media tech giants. Only government can legislate what gets collected, how it is used and by whom. That's the broader societal fix beyond my personal issue. We can only hope that the government does create some legislation to control the data collection and tracking and not enter in collaboration with the corporations as is happening in China.

The hazard is to the nation

NCD — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 04:00:25 +0000

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The hazard is to the nation as a whole. It's not an individual threat remedied by relocating, say, in a remote cabin off the grid. It's about controlling power in a democracy, or additionally influencing "acceptable" behavior in a country like China.

Only government can legislate what gets collected, how it is used and by whom. The individual tracking data can make innocent merchandise ads, or, more sinister, targeted disinformation and political propaganda aimed specifically at a susceptible target audience, and do it cheaply and easily.

As long as enough people are effectively manipulated politically, or ideologically, everyone will still ultimately be affected.

One billionaire, Robert Mercer, leveraged Facebook metadata with CA to help get Trump elected. That is the anti-democratic control objective, and the danger.

You have no phone; that's

barefooted — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 02:19:53 +0000

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You have no phone; that's your choice but is apparently a problem for you in the modern world. Your concerns are not only considerate but understandable - yet what is your fix?

I have no phone and that

ocean-kat — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 01:14:36 +0000

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I have no phone and that creates problems for me. It's become normal for your phone number to be the first method of identification by businesses and doctors. Some of my doctors will communicate with me by email, others refuse to use email. Often with no phone one is excluded from sale prices at many businesses. Of course that's the plan to push one towards being tracked but then one must make the choice that is becoming all to common. Accept tracking or pay more. According to the article smart phones have become nearly ubiquitous in China and I've read several articles that businesses both here and abroad have stopped taking cash. I expect that trend to continue. Life will become harder and more expensive if you avoid being tracked. Harder and more expensive if you run afoul of the tracking algorithms. That seems to be what is happening in China and it's fairly far along and advancing fast.

Gotcha. Forget the phone, it

barefooted — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 00:50:07 +0000

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Gotcha. Forget the phone, it wasn't about that.

As for prioritizing, forget that, too.