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Lets please replace

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:31:00 +0000

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Lets please replace "ruthlessly rational" with something simple & obvious (Dr. Occam in the house?) like "more grounded", which is often the role women play in relationships, even for non-orphans, and even such "power" relationships as Bill & Hillary. And how common is it that skirtchasers chase skirts but settle down with someone more sensible - is this even worth noting, much less dismissing with "friendly bimbos"?

Perhaps Bill Clinton could even get an attaboy for once for making the effort to save his first and only marriage, rather than go the way of Trump, Gingrich, McCain, John Edwards, et thousands of als? I'm sure if Bill wanted to trade in for a millionaire heiress trophy wife or a supermodel/pornstar 23-year-old he could have managed - even the dalliance with Monica was the kind obviously *not* intended to threaten a marriage, unlike say Prince Charles' continuing infidelities with Camilla?

Former U.S. Senator Al

artappraiser — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 08:12:39 +0000

In reply to McCain halts treatment, end near

video of the "final statement

artappraiser — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 23:30:47 +0000

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video of the "final statement":

BREAKING: A "final message" from the late John McCain is read by an aide. pic.twitter.com/RLZRGfOAQ4
— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 27, 2018

(Riffing on eyes further: I

barefooted — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 23:24:35 +0000

In reply to Likability is in the eye of

(Riffing on eyes further: I suspect Bill wanted her as a wife precisely for the reason she was his opposite. not a people person like him, but much more ruthlessly rational than the friendly bimbos he usually dated. [...]

Yuck.

I love ya, arta, but ...

Man alive, McCain gets in a

artappraiser — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 23:23:45 +0000

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Man alive, McCain gets in a last word on Trump

His office releases a “farewell statement”

“We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries...We weaken it when we hide behind walls, rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideals”
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) August 27, 2018

I think it's more a matter of

barefooted — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 23:16:16 +0000

In reply to You know PP, you've convinced

I think it's more a matter of fact, really. When someone well known dies the facts of their life are often portrayed as good (amplified, turned up to 11), less than good (downplayed, if not ignored to a -1) or somewhere in between. Reasonable enough for the average guy, but a bit disingenuous when it comes to a political figure with decades of public record. Funny thing is, to me, anyway, that this particular public figure would likely prefer a strenuous debate about his life's performance over a kiss-ass goodbye.

Likability is in the eye of

artappraiser — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:33:20 +0000

In reply to And still having McCain in

Likability is in the eye of the beholder of course. I.E. I don't find Hillary at all a kind and warm type like some of you do, to me she's a very cold tough brilliant professional. (Riffing on eyes further: I suspect Bill wanted her as a wife precisely for the reason she was his opposite. not a people person like him, but much more ruthlessly rational than the friendly bimbos he usually dated. I see an anti-war lefty like, say, Lulu, equally hating her, McCain and Obama as equal ruthless warmongering monsters without feelings for non-Americans)

On the sense of humor thing and the lame stuff like the Chelsea joke and bomb bomb bomb Iran, he apologizes afterwards for such gaffes, that's the difference with some others. I just heard Tammy Duckworth on NPR tell an interviewer of her admiration and memories including a key to understanding is that he had a subversive sense of humor and that it was used to self-deprecate as much as used against others. The lamest part of Trump's supposed attack that he wasn't a hero because heroes don't get shot down is that McCain used that joke about himself for years.

Here's the main thing: a majority of his colleagues and equals greatly and genuinely admired the man. Including Hillary, see below, no hard feelings about the Chelsea joke that I can see there. To me that counts for a ton about whether someone is historically important and also whether one lived an overall righteous life worth admiring. Especially if political enemies come out at the end saying they admired you and liked you personally, egads, that is so fucking rare, an incredible accomplishment in itself.

No I don't think any of them are being insincere. They could just not say anything if they really didn't like and admire the man. But that's not what they are doing.

Memories of McCain is

rmrd0000 — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 15:05:40 +0000

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Memory of McCain is benefiting from the reality of the man in the White House. The flag at the White House is at full mast. Trump has no class.

No, I don't suppose you were.

ocean-kat — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:07:00 +0000

In reply to To tell you the truth, I wasn

No, I don't suppose you were. It's just that the things closest to the top of my memory were the good things I mentioned. As I read more things I was reminded of many other things. I began to get more and more irked by all the shitty things McCain has done.

To tell you the truth, I wasn

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 07:48:00 +0000

In reply to You know PP, you've convinced

To tell you the truth, I wasn't trying to convince anyone, not even myself - just thumbing through the photo album and these are the images that come up. Would love to smile & say kind words. Not very good with selective amnesia. One of the things I admire about Hillary - she actually *is* a good person, knows how to swallow a ton of shit and come back with kindness. I imagine there won't be near the outpouring of grief and sympathy when she goes.