dagblog - Comments for "Holy Cottontail! The Playboy Club Is Back Again"

Surprise - Kanye's working

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:21:03 +0000

In reply to Holy Cottontail! The Playboy Club Is Back Again

Surprise - Kanye's working Hef's porn side of the street as well...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kanye-wests-porn-moment-what-the-rap-icons...

Many (most?) of us have been

barefooted — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:37:31 +0000

In reply to I liked the Times better,

Many (most?) of us have been to a casino, where the women are dressed largely the same and watered down drinks are free to gambling customers. What's the difference? I'd even posit that what Hutton said rings true in comparison - how carefully does a very large casino watch what happens to their waitresses compared to a far more intimate club? Intimacy ... there's the thing. Not a sexual thing, but a sort of sensuality that is best suited when touching isn't allowed or particularly desired. Fantasy found behind the tufted door, reality left behind it.

Hooters. Well there's a hoot. And an excellent example of the difference between overtly using young, buxom women to draw men into an establishment and (yes, still) using women as part of the ambiance. It might be a subtle difference, as with casinos, but it's a real one. Ask the women involved. The Times did, and I appreciate the take.

It's Holden Caulfield

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:43:41 +0000

In reply to Joesph Campbell could do a

It's Holden Caulfield lecturing everyone on cultural sensitivities while everyone else is getting laid in the rye. I once had a funny incident in Turkey, with this American simpleton explaining how we had to respect the simpler mor prudish nature of the people, while the "prudish" girl of his lecture's intent clandestinely had her feet embedded strategically in 2 crotches under the table. Or as an American put it, "what the men don't know, the little girls understand".

Joesph Campbell could do a

artappraiser — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:42:55 +0000

In reply to More appropriation - they got

Joesph Campbell could do a number on this one, Bacchanalia et. al.:

Still, I can see how a bunch of tourists in fancy dress can alter the true meaning of a historical festival, which is supposed to be about how drunk everyone can get. Exactly – it’s about cultural sensitivity.

The alcohol & sex at the harvest, it's a uniter, not a divider. Be fruitful and multiply.

More appropriation - they got

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 12:07:54 +0000

In reply to Cooper, Hef's son, is

More appropriation - they got it from the old country - ask Drumpf.
Dirndls just wanna have funh-unh, oh oh oh, they wanna have fun.

(do rabbit ears go with bierfrau outfits? & why again is Oktoberfest held in September?)

I liked the Times better,

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:51:17 +0000

In reply to Oh, I dunno. I'm not exactly

I liked the Times better, maybe hearing from Hutton. I always wonder how Playboy clubs are much different from convention babes or cocktail waitresses in general. I hate Hooters of course. I was amazed when they tried to launch a Playboy Club here, after a triendier Top Gear et al - died quick, but only a streetside club, a tamer version of a Thai girlie bar.

But somehow I think there's something more to this young hostess or chorus line thing, to some degree engaging to men *and* women - part of it is youth, rites of spring, and the lads don't express that as well, these Easter coteries... it's a sterotype and an archetype. Also as Hutton notes, the bunny outfits are a lot tamer than what you get at the pool these days, or the Beyonce outfits. But it's not just what's revealed - what attracts, puts in a good mood (vs just makes horny)

Ah, that's why we dont see

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 04:25:00 +0000

In reply to oh, no, wait, I know the

Ah, that's why we dont see this coming - Emin from Azerbaijan, these cowboy types from Branson, MO - everything but us coastal/European types.

Oh, I dunno. I'm not exactly

barefooted — Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:28:18 +0000

In reply to The WaPo article is far

Oh, I dunno. I'm not exactly the demographic they're trying to reach, so what I think likely matters not in their marketing determinations.

That said, though ... I do kinda see a comeback for the kind of stylized Burt Reynolds/Robert Redford sort of male persona that not only appeals to women but to men, as well. The 50's version of men being men and women being women hasn't gone away. But it's evolved. The only way they'll make it sell - in print or in the club - is to make it feel like women are choosing their path and men are only admiring from afar while enjoying the company of other men. It should be mentioned that the club is also welcoming women, and might very well draw some who see potential for themselves through networking, etc.

I agree that the WaPo article was better, but this from the Times piece struck me:

Ms. Hutton said she learned to be sophisticated and that she felt protected as a Bunny. “No one could come on to you in any way, although occasionally you would have a couple of goombahs come in from downtown and try.”

Ms. Scott agreed with that sentiment. “I had schoolmates who were working as Kelly girls and shop girls, temp secretaries, or waitresses at other places and they were nowhere near as safe in their jobs as we were. Playboy knew they were dressing girls in provocative costumes, and they were careful. It was a safe environment, and we were in charge.”

oh, no, wait, I know the

artappraiser — Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:25:29 +0000

In reply to The WaPo article is far

oh, no, wait, I know the demographic he's going after: Russian oligarchs! But only the lower level ones who don't have a lot of experience navigating international culture, not the big guys. And a few Republican GOP. And maybe Tucker Carlson.

The WaPo article is far

artappraiser — Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:47:10 +0000

In reply to Holy Cottontail! The Playboy Club Is Back Again

The WaPo article is far better than the NYT. Especially as it gets into what Hefner kid is trying to do. NYT takes it as a chance to get into a history lesson about Gloria Steinem, for what reason, I dunno. I take the "Styles" section of a news media to be talking about, ya know, current styles, trying to figure out what's happening, not what happened back in the day.

I have this intuition that it's going to be a big fail. The whole Playboy ethos he still seems to be selling is "classy" as Donald Trump defines "classy". Even Trump fans don't like that side of him! Where's the market for that these days? Any demographic wanting to rebel against the #Metoo ethos with any possible profitability in it, that would seem to be something more raunchy, no? Not the playboy (small p) thing, for sure. Who the heck would be into small-p playboy brand these days?

Edit to add: besides a few aging rappers that younger folks no longer like?