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Thank you. Looks like a lot

AmericanDreamer — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 15:20:39 +0000

In reply to before Fukuyama, there was

Thank you. Looks like a lot there. I will check out what I can get to in those threads, no promises on when but then again there is no rush, is there? Somehow methinks these issues will remain with us for a bit, at least, even when they are not being discussed.

If the majority of the white

rmrd0000 — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 13:43:29 +0000

In reply to If whites vote for

If the majority of the white votes wind up going for Republicans in Florida and Georgia, you really don’t think that a discussion of race will come up post election?

Ta-Nehisi Coates on colorism

rmrd0000 — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 02:49:28 +0000

In reply to before Fukuyama, there was

Ta-Nehisi Coates on colorism

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/03/nina-simone-face/472107/

https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/03/the-appropriation-of-nina-simone/474186/

Ta-Nehisi Coates on white supremacy

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/why-we-write/459909/

before Fukuyama, there was

artappraiser — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 01:32:20 +0000

In reply to What is the thesis of his

before Fukuyama, there was related discussion ad nauseum on my very long thread on cultural appropriation, which I meant to be a fun positive thread about good ways our culture was changing but too often ended up as debate with rmrd seriously defending tribalism. And this one of his about skin color couple mos. after PP's on same Many others like that.

try this thread, Dreamer

artappraiser — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 01:22:07 +0000

In reply to What is the thesis of his

try this thread, Dreamer

Edit to add: there was a followup by rmrd here. After which rmrd brought it up in my "common good " post here and then posted his own against universalism here.

What is the thesis of his

AmericanDreamer — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 00:57:03 +0000

In reply to I read The End of History and

What is the thesis of his with which you are disagreeing? If you already discussed this another thread please pardon and point me, if it is not too much trouble, to that thread. You sound well-versed with that earlier work of his.

NCD, been perusing this

Oxy Mora — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:58:42 +0000

In reply to Trump, as with all demagogues

NCD, been perusing this thread. Seems you have put up a most significant quote here----.....never admit the opponent is even partially right. Just attack.

We have seen this propagandist playbook put to especially good use this week.

Democrats are constitutionally unable to fight such a propaganda war.

It makes me sick.

I read The End of History and

moat — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:22:08 +0000

In reply to I wouldn't feel able to

I read his book The End of History and Introduction to the Reading of Hegel by Alexander Kojève which Fukuyama draws upon extensively for his understanding of the subject. I have many objections to Fukuyama's thesis but rarely see objections to it made by others that accurately reflect what he said. That experience doesn't make me excited to see if he has come up with something new. But, on general principle, figuring out why a thesis is flawed is more important than deciding it is wrong for any given purpose.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with rmrd0000 argument that it is only a scam for political purposes, that contention does not wrestle with the flaws of Fukuyama's thesis as a thesis. Neither does that contention replace poor models with better ones by itself.

Link to Guardian article

rmrd0000 — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:03:41 +0000

In reply to From a Guardian interview

Link to Guardian article

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/16/francis-fukuyama-interview...

I wouldn't feel able to

AmericanDreamer — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:48:09 +0000

In reply to In the course of

I wouldn't feel able to answer your very good questions as the major point of his remarks did not stick well with me. This was the first time I've seen or heard Fukuyama talk. I have not read any of his books, only perhaps one or two of his articles over the years, and on topics other than this. To respond cogently to your questions I'd feel as though I would need either to find a tape of his talk and watch it again, or perhaps read his book. And also I think would need to review comments in recent threads here on these issues to understand the terms of these debates and what is at issue, including how participants seem to be using terms such as "identity politics" and "tribalism" to be able to respond to what you are asking. I have not to date been attending to those comments or participating in these exchanges of late. I'm sorry I can't do better--that can't be a very satisfying answer, I realize.