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in your world who is going to

artappraiser — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:05:34 +0000

In reply to Thanks, I merely try to point

in your world who is going to enforce the rules that tribes on top cannot utilize the identity politics of the tribes on the bottom? This is actually what happened in Rwanda to very bad effect. It is actually amazing that it took white men in the U.S. so long to jump in and play the victim/identity politics card themselves. Fukuyama is basically saying that something like a Constitution that everyone agrees to helps. It's beyond me why you find it so offensive to have some ground rules so that things don't end up with violence and war.

Elsewhere Moat is pointing out that the fault in Fukuyama's theorizing is that doesn't get into suggesting mechanisms for grievance, not that his main point is incorrect.

I think every one here is

ocean-kat — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 20:38:45 +0000

In reply to Thanks, I merely try to point

I think every one here is aware that a story about a white man attempting to rape a white women is all about black people. Silly that some think it's about sexism and misogyny. It's an error women have been making for centuries. Mistakenly thinking the issue was gender inequalities when it's all about black people all the time.

Thanks, I merely try to point

rmrd0000 — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:24:09 +0000

In reply to Now he's become so consumed

Thanks, I merely try to point out things that I see as obvious and things that are also being said by other blacks and many Progressive whites.If you go to websites like the Root or Black America Web, you see similar views reflected. It is like they are in a bubble.

Here are titles on Amazon

One Person No Vote by Carol Anderson

White Rage by Carol Anderson

So You Want to Talk about Race by Ijeoma Olou

Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates

The Burden African Americans and the Enduring Impact of Slavery by Rochelle Riley, et al

All the books challenge white supremacy.

Reading articles about the Kavanaugh appointment, white supremacy is mentioned front and center.

From NewsOne

https://newsone.com/3829048/kavanaugh-hearing-white-people-supremacy/

From HuffPost On White women voters and Kavanaugh

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-kavanaugh-blasey-ford-sexual-assault-midterms-white-women_us_5bb3d78fe4b0876eda993663

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White women have always been involved in white supremacy. And since the civil rights movement, white identity has become more challenged, and less a taken-for-granted standard for everything. The GOP has been successful in using this shift to their political advantage. Republican strategists have mobilized white resentment by depicting Democrats as the party of intellectual snobs and undeserving rabble and the GOP as the party of the virtuous middle

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Im not the outlier

It reads that way to some,

rmrd0000 — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:56:48 +0000

In reply to Since he's always doing

It reads that way to some, but not to most.

This a good interchange on

artappraiser — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:18:42 +0000

In reply to Why conservatives don’t care that Brett Kavanaugh is a liar

This a good interchange on the political effects if he gets confirmed:

Anger is electoral rocket fuel. Harder to sustain when you get what you want. https://t.co/Pb3rvpHoFB
— Liam Donovan (@LPDonovan) October 4, 2018

After reading all the pieces

artappraiser — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:04:47 +0000

In reply to Why conservatives don’t care that Brett Kavanaugh is a liar

After reading all the pieces on this thread and thinking a while, I have come to the conclusion that conservatives themselves will eventually be very sorry if he gets confirmed. Because in their desperation to get any conservative confirmed under this Trumpian mess made of their party, they aren't paying attention to the legal profession of all political stripes loudly objecting to the appointment. They will avenge over time if it happens, in many and sundry ways.

I stand by my post but you

ocean-kat — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 02:00:15 +0000

In reply to Since he's always doing

I stand by my post but you raise another good point. I'm involved in opposition to the border patrol here. We do water drops, rescues of sick immigrants, protests at check points. It's the issue that affects us here and it's the issue that the activists organize. I'm not a leader so I don't choose the issues or actions. I'm just one of the workers or the crowd if need be. I'm part of it because I respect the leaders. If rmrd was a leader here I wouldn't add my support. All of us here probably support 95% of the policies he supports. But he couldn't get me to work with him to achieve those goals.

Perhaps it is unduly harsh.

ocean-kat — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 01:48:17 +0000

In reply to Now he's become so consumed

Perhaps it is unduly harsh. How for he's gone down the road of tribalism is aa judgement call. But I think it's true that's he's walked a good distance down that road.

Since he's always doing

artappraiser — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 01:06:07 +0000

In reply to Seconded.

Since he's always doing political talking points and advice for what Dems need to do, though, I think it's helpful for rmrd to know that's how his rhetoric reads to some. It would be different if he signaled he was just trying to figure things out. But he writes as if he's got the answer of what needs to be done and we just need to listen. If I were trying to do that, I would welcome if someone was honest about how it sounded to them. If you are trying to convince, turning people off with your rhetoric and debate is not what you want to be doing?

Seconded.

moat — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 00:45:38 +0000

In reply to Now he's become so consumed

Seconded.