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Fresh off his viral shredding

artappraiser — Sat, 03 Nov 2018 01:47:51 +0000

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Fresh off his viral shredding stunt, #Banksy will be giving away free merch at London's World Travel Fair. Learn more: https://t.co/sCOLgtrURf pic.twitter.com/ux29DOshIq
— artnet (@artnet) November 3, 2018

He inspires-the Brits get him

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Oct 2018 04:55:48 +0000

In reply to Banksy: planned obsolescence or adolescence?

He inspires-the Brits get him-the people's artist:

Whoever made this deserves a medal. pic.twitter.com/eMrWdDDlMJ
— GeorgeMonbiot (@GeorgeMonbiot) October 20, 2018

Then retweet it w the right

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 14 Oct 2018 19:52:20 +0000

In reply to Katya is the highly competent

Then retweet it w the right hashtag? "We can be retweet heroes, just for one day..."

Katya is the highly competent

artappraiser — Sun, 14 Oct 2018 19:42:18 +0000

In reply to Banksy: planned obsolescence or adolescence?

Katya is the highly competent art market reporter for Bloomberg:

The best commentary I have read so far on the #Baksygate https://t.co/SvX669Eg6B
— Katya Kazakina (@artdetective) October 14, 2018

Unfortunately looks like she's a lousy typist with the tweets, her hashtag typo will mean her tweet gets missed....

Hmmm, I'm partly classically

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 07:18:00 +0000

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Hmmm, I'm partly classically trained, played jazz, played rock, played punk, played a stick and pickle drums and a blade of grass tween my thumbs and a long-tall instrument with 3 regular strings off in the Turkestan desert and a conch by the seashore near the Atacama and did Tuvan throat singing near Tuva, jammed with Moroccan drums & chant singers on the Atlantic coast, didgeridoo in Melbourne, Gamelan in Bali, bluegrass in Kentucky, accordion in oompafied Central Europe, danced and congo'd with a Senegalese fire-breathing troupe in Paris, backed up some 70-year-old blues singer who only had 3 strings on his guitar... I can put Itsy Bitsy Spider in minor, diminished, atonal, Gregorian, African call back chant, negro spiritual, Caribbean salsa, and probably Mozarted to the nth degree (or Salieri'd, depending on devilish approach). I do a great version of Alouette sounding like the drunken Tiger Lilies (Banging in the Nails), scares all the pre-school kids, while my "I'm a Little Tea Pot" extends the "whoo...." sound of the kettle in a shared participatory chant - a big hit on the kindergarten circuit.

My mother thinks I'm limited musically because I don't much care for Kenny Rogers and Engelbert Humperdinck. (I was going to say John Denver, but aside from Hunter Thompson joking, Denver's what he is and does it well for those into it. Same thing with that Key West singer in Margaritaville. I was never much charmed by Barbara Streisand, but the theme for Eyes of Laura Mars still manages to give me chills.

She also tells me my brothers play better than me, which is probably true, but I have a lot more fun, of that I'm sure.

"Quality" is simply arbitrary and personal. There's a Belgian pseudo-fashion scream punk band that's so awful I love them, kind of a European Nancy Sinatra. There's a Czech song with a chorus like a kid's song but sung out of key that grabs me every time. There's multi-layered complex Byzantine Bulgarian choirs that don't even need a backing orchestra to be captivating. There was a drummer playing pickle barrels on a street corner in DC who was one of the best I've seen, except for King Crimson in a small bar with Bill Bruford & Tony Levin on stick & Adrian Belew with all his whackadoodle I'm-having-fun effects, but were they more fun than the Ramones clocking in each song at 2 minutes 30 or rockabilly with Nick Lowe/Dave Edmunds, or was it Kiss with Rock City & chutes of fire and tongues wagging out, or the Rolling Stones teasing on 100,000 New Orleans stadium ecstatic fans as they dragged out the solo monotonous intro bar to Honky Tonk Women for 5 minutes, or Iggy Pop screaming out "Lust for Life" as he spit on the small venu crowd, or was it a quiet 4-piece cello band playing Mozart in a garden courtyard where he wrote the piece, or a church with his death mass that dates back to the Reformation or Fishbone slinging horns across stage.... Do you like Tom Waits or Butthole Surfers or Johnny Cash or Grand Funk Railroad Closer to Home, or maybe it's MC5 kick out the jams motherfuckers, or Dick Dale doing surf music must die while appropriating jewish Hava Nagila, or a Filipino karaoke band shredding Elvis doing "In the Ghetto".

Oh, and for some reason I'm just not that interested in classical music, even though I'm surrounded by it. I like hearing its effect on writers like Milan Kundera and Alejo Carpentier, love its use by Milos Forman and other directors trained in its art, loved the new wave Paris opera thriller Diva performing Le Wally, don't *mind* it, but if it's the choice between the punkish attitude-strewn Franz Ferdinand and classical tunes, I'd rather go for the punk.

BTW - Cranberries were pretty rhymy-dimey overall, but Zombie hit it just right, and other songs have their charm, so what the hey. I got bored with Queen by their 3rd album, i.e. before they made it big, couldn't fathom "we will rock you", but 35 years later can appreciate their overall body of work... but who am I?

Banksy piece worth double now

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 06:36:05 +0000

In reply to Banksy: planned obsolescence or adolescence?

Banksy piece worth double now.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/banksy-sothebys-shred-art-capitalis...

Other Banksy owners asking "to shred? or not to shred? whether it is nobler to suffer the flames and shredders of existence..."

I don't understand anger over

ocean-kat — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 04:00:05 +0000

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I don't understand anger over music. I used to go to NYC once a month. My girlfriend had a flute lesson, after we'd go to a museum. Later we'd go to a music event, usually an avant garde jazz bar with a live band. Some times I enjoyed it, some times not. I didn't get pissed if I didn't get into it. When I can't get into a musical performance I conclude I don't know enough to grasp it or it's not very good. I keep listening and studying to see if I can understand it better.

The Dylan episode had nothing to do with music. The people simply wanted to hear a live performance of songs they knew and liked or at least if new songs, songs that were almost exactly the same as the songs they knew. It's a problem musicians have when they want to grow and people with small musical minds won't let them. Ricky Nelson wrote a song about it. If you gotta play at garden parties I wish you a lot of luck but If memories was all I sang I'd rather drive a truck.

There is implicit and explicit ways of knowing. On a basic level it doesn't take long for most people to hear the difference between an oboe, trumpet, guitar, violin all playing the same note. Implicit knowledge, they just hear it. I could tell you why it sounds different. Explicitly with graphs and wave forms and the overtone series. People implicitly understand music. They implicitly understand everything that The Itsy Bitsy Spider has to offer musically and lyrically. It bores them. Most people stop growing soon after that. To grow musically on has to educate one's ear implicitly by a lot of listening. The radio plays almost the same song, songs at the same level. So after growing beyond The Itsy Bitsy Spider they stop with basic rock and roll. Those who are interested and by luck get exposed to something more seek it out. But most people limit their exposure. If it doesn't sound like what they're used to listening to they change the station. They don't know explicitly why. They can't say there's a chord I haven't heard before or a tempo that's different or a melody along a scale that's not major or minor. They just hear it's different and turn it off. The pop radio stations know this and help by rarely playing anything different or unusual or even a little bit more complex.

Even those who advance beyond the basic can get stuck. That's what happened with Rite of Spring. It was a song beyond the implicit understanding of the listeners. Their ears weren't educated enough to hear it. I could explain explicitly why it was good. I could explain what Stravinski was doing, why it was hard to understand. I could say listen to it a few times and your ear will be educated and you'll begin to hear it. I could explicitly explain the evolution of classical music in terms of the harmonic structure. How Gregorian Chants fully explored the harmony of octaves and fifths until it got boring and led to the choral music of Bach. How each advance included the next harmonic in ever increasing complex harmonies. But it's enough if you just listen, your ear will learn to hear it implicitly.

Some times I play a radio in the background tuned to the local rock station. Not often because most rock bores me. Almost every song sounds the same. Almost always the same harmony, same tempo, same instruments, simply melodies. They might as well be playing The Itsy Bitsy Spider over and over again. The music goes in one ear and out the other. Occasionally I'll hear something different, that will pull me away from what I'm doing. In my mind I'll say something is happening there. I'll stop and listen and try to figure out what it is that's happening.

I bought her DVD because of this song. Not because of What If God Was One of Us, the hit from the album. I don't know people here. How far you've grown musically. Can you hear that something very different is happening here? Do you like it? Is it hard to listen to and get into? Does it affect you emotionally? Could you dance to it? Do you know why it's different than every other rock song out today?

Anyone, or at least the vast majority, can learn to hear higher quality music. If they just listen eventually they'll be drawn to it. Just as we all learned to hear music that is better than The Itsy Bitsy Spider. And eventually became bored by it. When I get a new album that I like I often don't want to listen to anything else. I'll play it over and over and over again until I've heard everything it has to offer. Every bass line, every cymbal crash. I'll play it until I know it. I got this Joan Osborne DVD when I was traveling from California to Florida. I picked up a hitch hiker, a good old boy who probably never listened to anything but country music his whole life. I played this DVD constantly, just this DVD and I could tell he didn't like it, but my car my music. After a dozen or so times My Right Hand Man was the song he was "seat dancing" to. He was really getting into this song out of all the songs on the album. He was really digging it. Swaying, or jerking since it's hard rock, beating his hands to the music. Anyway there's my little anecdote that says to me you can learn to hear more and better and if you do you'll be drawn to higher quality stuff.

Lol

rmrd0000 — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 22:08:43 +0000

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Lol

Like I said, I’ll take the movie

It's vomit not Artist's Shit.

ocean-kat — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 21:06:49 +0000

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Crap? It's vomit not Artist's Shit. Who is to say whether vomit on a sidewalk is more beautiful than Manzoni's shit in a can? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Vomit art by Millie Brown is

rmrd0000 — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 21:01:23 +0000

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Vomit art by Millie Brown is edgy. It’s still crap. I’ll take the Asian film.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/millie-brown-vomits-to-cr_n_881634.html

Actually, I guess it’s the other end of crap.

Edit to add:

Joy Luck Club 1993

Last SNL appearance by an Asian woman Lucy Liu 18 years ago

Awkwafina from Crazy Rich Asians appears as host last weekend

She mentions the inspiration she received from Lucy Lou

Social media suggests she inspired many Asian teens

Asian teens don’t know Mickey Rooney. They know Awkwafina