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Most commies like this ranter

Peter — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 18:30:33 +0000

In reply to Oh, I imagine he just thinks

Most commies like this ranter are self centered idiots who believe only they have the answers or even understand the questions. I admired Rubin because he used humor during a very dark and depressing era something that is sorely lacking today. I didn't read his books and I don't have blind faith in anyone to have all the correct ideas about life.

I am feeling the love.

moat — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 18:15:25 +0000

In reply to You're correct that I use

I am feeling the love.

Too bad your model fails to include any working class people who are not white and/or female. Or all the working class people who understand that your team is increasing the power of wealth over others. Or the fact that corporations are just as global as they were before you got on the bus with Mitch.

But I appreciate you dropping the smarmy concern troll crap and just got down to celebrating our demise.

You're correct that I use

Peter — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 17:58:31 +0000

In reply to Your arguments over terms

You're correct that I use class rhetoric but I prefer to use American definitions over antiquated Marxist claptrap. The snowflakes represent the leisure class and aspire to remain part of the ruling class while feigning empathy for the working class. They proudly show their contempt for working class people and anyone else who are aware enough to reject their degenerate self serving agendas. This elitist arrogance is clearly displayed by their hate filled use of the term deplorables/racists to describe anyone who supported Trump and helped elect him. You seem to be becoming somewhat aware, along with Art, that your death spiral is self inflicted as displayed by the snowflake resistance clawing at the doors to the Supreme Court desperately seeking lost power. My hope now is that you and your ilk won't be capable of destroying the rest of us as you auger in to the dustbin of history for eternity.

Yep, false "both sides do it

AmericanDreamer — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 17:00:56 +0000

In reply to Both sides do it'ism. Except

Yep, false "both sides do it'ism" from Nichols.

Mann and Ornstein, two devoted establishment non-partisans, factually demonstrated that there is nothing remotely close to equivalence between the two major parties, in It's Even Worse Than You Think. The Republican party, both procedurally in terms of their politics is war by other means MO and the deviation of their substantive agenda from majority public opinion on most issues, has gone far to the extreme radical right. Much, much farther than the Democratic party has moved away from its "center" before the Southern Democrats exited.

Those who consider themselves above the fray "moderates" or "centrists" have nowhere now to go other than to the Democratic party. They can pretend as though they have no dog in this fight. I fundamentally disagree. It is not opinion but fact that one partisan side is well off the rails, both in terms of any sort of commitment to minimal operating norms necessary to have a functioning government, and in terms of its radical right wing policy agenda far outside the mainstream of public opinion in this country. All of which former GOP warrior Jennifer Rubin fully seems to grasp.

By no means does this mean I have no criticisms of or dissatisfactions with the Democratic party, in re to any offering the idiotic strawman "you're an apologist for the Democratic party" retort. And I challenge anyone to find any Democrat who does not feel the same way.

You're flattering Peter - he

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:44:11 +0000

In reply to Your arguments over terms

You're flattering Peter - he just goes for scorched earth, insults on insults. As long as "liberals" are uncomfortable, he's content, whatever it means to real people in real life. When he waxes nostalgic about Yippies it just means he likes jokey motherfuckers like Rubin and Trump who can do marketing/be-ins that overturns the apple cart. He's a chaos monkey without actual ideology, just a sports team to root for.

I cannot make heads or tails

moat — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:31:33 +0000

In reply to the proletariat consciousness

I cannot make heads or tails out of it. I doubt the generator of the rhetoric can either.

the proletariat consciousness

artappraiser — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 14:50:31 +0000

In reply to Your arguments over terms

the proletariat consciousness denouncing the "liberal" bourgeoisie. Sort of like Lenin without the chewy Marxist center.

Ah yes, thank you for the reminder. It was so long ago that I heard this stuff (and regurgitated it myself for a short while) that I tend to forget these finer points, hah.

Still, who'd ever imagine back in those days that a (supposed) billionaire with tastes that are virtually a stereotype illustrating the french term bourgeois would become an inspiration to the proletariat consciousness. I cannot handle Peter's cognitive dysfunction as well as you, sorry, it is simply far too complex for like a SNL parody, very few would recognize it.

Edit to add: I wasn't referring to Lulu about the miscommunication issue, that was about someone else here and their definition of "identity politics".

Your arguments over terms

moat — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 14:24:25 +0000

In reply to Strikes me from the reveals

Your arguments over terms with Lulu reflect a difference of viewpoint about what is happening and what can be changed. You are not incomprehensible to each other. As a witness to the conversation, I can sort out my opinion of where you actually disagree with each other and where you talk past each other. Other witnesses have other opinions.

Peter is not trying to persuade anybody here that what he thinks is the truth. He is announcing our impending death without interest in whether we understand why we are dying.

The snowflake stuff is the rhetoric of class war where Peter plays the proletariat consciousness denouncing the "liberal" bourgeoisie. Sort of like Lenin without the chewy Marxist center. Now combine that inchoate substance with a heaping portion of blood and soil to establish the privilege that the enemy is hell bent upon taking away from poor victims of equal rights. Hard to say what this thing is he is speaking for but I hear the announcement of my impending death clearly enough. This is not a conversation.

Oh, I imagine he just thinks

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:29:29 +0000

In reply to The author of this rant is

Oh, I imagine he just thinks both of them are clueless and suck, even if in different ways.
(apparently Rubin's book on sex between the sheets is even more bizarrely awful as well)
You have a different opinion?

Strikes me from the reveals

artappraiser — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 11:22:27 +0000

In reply to You have gotten on to the

Strikes me from the reveals on this thread that Peter might some solidarity with another member here using the name Lulu, if only they had a chance to sit down and share war stories over a beer. Peter's love for the use of the snowflake derogative in an odd manner confused things all to heck. Semiology matters! We can't communicate well if we have different meanings for slurs. So of course, now I am thinking about the meaning of the term "Identity Politics"....