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these people run a fairly

artappraiser — Sat, 03 Nov 2018 01:06:31 +0000

these people run a fairly intelligent, respected & long lived website of South American news focus (where passions might run higher than here). They just instituted moderating comments to up the admitted lousy quality problem they had with those, check out the stated policy, it's interesting with good word choices

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2018/10/30/read-the-comments/

P.S. I would like to add that

artappraiser — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 09:47:50 +0000

In reply to Because he's smart, it's

P.S. I would like to add that Michael has given the precious gift here of a space where he is not anxious to grow the audience to get more clicks to pay for it. When you have to do that, that's what really gets you into the lowest common denominator unless you have expensive moderation like the NYTimes website does. I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth, I think it's good to demand high quality participation, to expect that this is an exclusive club and we are going to be tough with each other about sloppy thinking and commentary and should it also happen-garbage news.. Just like we would be with students if one were teaching a class. Everyone's going to define that different, but that's okay, I think it will still work. Demanding quality eventually draws more quality participation, just not in numbers. This whole thread is the kind of thing that's a good exercise once in a while.

Edit to add: I will never be ashamed of admitting that I am an elitist who wants a place to hang around with the grad students as opposed to the high school sophomores. And I expect those who have more knowledge than me on a topic will stiffly criticize me if I am saying something stupid and tell me in no uncertain terms that I am playing over my head. Because that's how you learn both things about things and how to communicate better with people, how to hone your communication skills. If someone is taking something you are saying wrong, it's your problem, not theirs

Because he's smart, it's

artappraiser — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 09:26:33 +0000

In reply to People have talked about

Because he's smart, it's intellectual interplay. And I do believe he likes Trump's economics, that is honest opinion, and like you when you say you'd like to see more variety in opinion around here, that interests me, why someone might feel that way.

But I tire of it quickly if he doesn't break he bullshit kayfabe.he usually comes to spew.

Let me be clear: I really have no major interest in protecting or defending him. At all. Period.

I was just saying he bothers me a lot less than some others around here who I think drag the level of conversation here way down and I do find a big waste of my time.I am regretting even interacting with this politely with this person more and more. I'm done pandering to that person. That has been a big waste of my time, major. I come here 1) to collate and share news that interests me 2) for intellectual stimulation on analysis of the news. If it gets me thinking about stupid stuff, drags me down to the left version of Trump, I am not the moderated moderator I was once, no more mrs. nice gal. That's over. I've seen groups dragged down to lowest common denominator. If it's anger on my part though, it's about being too tolerant of poor quality input, repetitive demagogic partisan crap.

When you said you dislike partisans, that that drove you nuts at TPMCafe, I guess you meant something different than I do when I say I dislike partisans. I dislike the partisan rah rah or bashing of a political candidate or a party, the spin. I don't consider bashing "snowflakes" as the same thing. That's targeting and bashing a certain kind of ideology and way of thinking, that's not bashing a political.candidate or party. Now he's not been very clear about his definition of that, and I from that I suspect a little bit of craziness as in reading too many conspiracy minded writing. In which case, I'm not interesting in interacting. But theoretically, on principle, someone saying they dislike snowflake thinking, and bashing it, that wouldn't bother me, it would be no different than bashing Trumpology.

People have talked about

ocean-kat — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 06:26:53 +0000

In reply to you hit on precisely what I

People have talked about trolls before and said some of the same things you've said. I can imagine a moment of interest in having an honest discussion with a troll to get some insight into their motivations. But that moment of interest would be fleeting for me. So they don't really believe the things they post. They really do just want to get people angry. That's not enough information for me.

I can be pushed to insult someone. I can be pushed to react angrily. But that's not what I want to do. It's not fun for me. It's just a more complex and sophisticated way for me to say Fuck You and walk away. That's what I really want to do in that situation. In real life that's what I do. I simply cut people out of my life when they bother me. I don't have to react to their crap because I never expose myself to it. I can't do that here. To walk away from a troll here I'd have to walk away from the site.

I'm so different from trolls like peter that I can't understand them. For a troll to tell me they just want to piss people off isn't an answer. The real question, the deeper question, is why would you want to do that? Why would anyone want to spend the precious hours of their life saying insulting crazy shit to get people angry? I doubt that any of these trolls have spent enough time in introspection to answer that question. I can only see it as some form of a mental illness. I can't see how it would be interesting to talk to someone who is mentally ill about the manifestations of their craziness. Perhaps that's fun for some people but I'm not a psychologist.

I'll see you there.

barefooted — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:25:47 +0000

In reply to I agree with the spirit of

I'll see you there.

Sounds like someone who doesn

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:15:10 +0000

In reply to Not sure they need a central

Sounds like someone who doesn't see social cohesion or any kind of ethnic or linguistic unity as valuable to a nation. You must be one of those crypto-anarchists we've been hearing so much about. (BTW, they *did* dissolve the central government and nothing much changed)

Not sure they need a central

Obey — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:04:03 +0000

In reply to Somehow they can rule the

Not sure they need a central government. The country is perfectly segregated administratively down to individual schools. No one actually self-identifies as Belgian. They are either from Flanders or from Brussels. Course there's the south but no one much thinks of them generally. They could dissolve the central government and nothing would change.

Somehow they can rule the

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 14:24:47 +0000

In reply to European legislative and

Somehow they can rule the rest of Europe, but can't manage to form their own government. Even the "French fries" there are arguably Flemish.

European legislative and

Obey — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:58:03 +0000

In reply to good-o, then. brussels, home

European legislative and executive institutions are based here too. The great Belgian empire. ;)

Perhaps it's both - do better

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 05:08:53 +0000

In reply to Ok point taken. I’ve

Perhaps it's both - do better at managing the troll(s), plus expand the content/lower repetitiveness/increase signal-to-noise ratio.