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related in Kristof column

artappraiser — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 23:59:42 +0000

In reply to "Cultural appropriation turns Halloween into a nightmare"

related in Kristof column yesterday, on political manipulation of tribalism, my underlining

expressions of our shared humanity are important in and of themselves, but also as a way of fighting back at the fear and loathing that are being weaponized in this election cycle [....]

The brilliance of the Trump fear strategy is that scholars find that simply raising identity issues turns whites more conservative. So while Trump’s nonsense about the caravan is easily rebutted, he arouses primal, unconscious fears in white voters that make them more likely to vote Republican.

There’s a risk that in responding to the incitement, I am amplifying Trump’s message. But I believe in rationality and our capacity, if warned, to resist manipulation.

In Pittsburgh, we saw that heroism could counter evil by relying on the very best instincts of our shared humanity [....]

from Voters, You’re Being Manipulated;l Trump and Fox News are trying to scare white voters into supporting Republican candidates.

Time moves on

artappraiser — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 22:48:46 +0000

In reply to Comedians complain that the

Time moves on

Again, all of a sudden you are using the argument most of us have given you. You wasted our time arguing, now our words come out of your mouth. All of the rest you said was just babbling, we should have ignored it?

On the rest of the thread and on the Megyn Kelly thread you talk as if it is still 1980 and nothing has changed about race relations. Or more like 1920, with minstrel shows going on everyday allover the country. You find two incidences suggestive of minstrel like behavior in a country of 325 million people and it's an epidemic, and start ranting as if nothing has changed since 1920.

How can you not understand that making argument for the sake of argument is trolling?

More, from your thread on

artappraiser — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 22:31:30 +0000

In reply to I repeat myself:

More, from your thread on Megyn Kelly. This is a nonsense interchange involving strawman. I am saying something you later agree with elsewhere. But at the time, you make up some bullshit to pretend I am saying something that I am not. I'm saying here that people who would do minstrel blackface are considered gross uncouth people born in a barn. You didn't read my comment! Or you have no reading comprehension! You just went on to suggest both I and PP "support blackface! DO YOU THINK READERS ARE THAT STUPID THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT? THIS IS MADDENING TROLLISH! Show some respect for your fellow Dagbloggers thoughts, read them, try to comprehend them and stop turning us into your bete noire co-workers

Well yeah, it's the difference between dressing up in what's known as "blackface", as in Minstrel, and dressing up as Malcolm X or Hendrix or Obama! Doh, most people know the difference when they see it. We're talking about having some sense of etiquette here vs. those who were "born in a barn." Strikes me that this is a faux manufactured argument that's going on here. People know Megyn Kelly is suspiciously sympathetic to racism and that's why she got fired. People can also see that the Daily Mirror was stoking the idea of overly politically correct police with the story about the schoolteacher. The world of the Daily Mirror is the world of Megyn Kelly and they are going to keep at it until it doesn't feed faux arguments and outrage on the internet anymore. It is what it is. Some people are uncouth, some people are mean, some people are bad, some people can get eyeballs from stoking that, etc.

by artappraiser on Sat, 10/27/2018 - 2:08pm

One of the reasons that I take pride in being considered an outlier here is because of things like support for blackface. You and PP are very different than my white friends. They, for example, have seen and are not surprised by black images of Jesus and black Santa Claus figurines or black Santa’s in malls.

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 10/27/2018 - 5:23pm

If you wish to argue with Trump fans that you are too chicken to argue directly with, please go to that type of website to do it or post a blog doing it. Do not use us as guinea pigs to try out your memes, either, if that's what you are trying to do. It's not going to work, we won't be dragged down to that level, that's not what we are spending time on the internet for.

Don't be surprised that few participate on your blogs of that type, though. Because we are not interested in arguing at Trump level. That's why we're at Dagblog, understand? But please don't push it on us by hijacking and trolling other threads.

I repeat myself:

artappraiser — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 22:20:19 +0000

In reply to Why is it trolling to point

On the issue of you trolling. I repeat myself:

People are not going to vote because of Halloween costumes

Republicans are smelling the stench from their party. No one is taking on Trump but Steve King is fair game.

Republicans who left the party admit that their base is racist, just like the pearl clutchers have noted since Day One.

There is no Halloween costume vote.

by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 4:40pm

With this comment, you just agreed with most of the arguments here on dag that have disagreed with your jihad-like posting against "cultural appropriation".

Why did you waste everyone's time continually arguing for months that this is of great import?

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 5:05pm

Get some reading comprehension. Actually read the comments of the people here on dagblog and reply to those. Don't pretend we are your co-workers and are saying something else. That is trolling.

I don’t understand your argument.

If you don't understand what a dagblogger is saying, that's all you should say, that you don't understand it. Don't start making them into a strawman. If you want to argue with a strawman, make a blog to do it. I for one refuse to be your willing victim to your inability to discuss things on a level everyone else on a thread is discussing. You constant derailing of threads with lowest common denominator arguments, as if you are arguing with your Trumpie co-workers, is INSULTING. Dagbloggers are not them. You treat us as if we are and need a Racism 101 lecture. It's insulting and it's very trollish, constanly derailing threads for arguments you'd apparently like to have with your idiot co-workers. It's dragging everything down to lowest common denominator. We are not Trumpies and hang out on this site because we don't want to discuss stuff as if we were.

Comedians complain that the

rmrd0000 — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 22:10:24 +0000

In reply to One of my favorite SNL skits,

Comedians complain that the college audience has changed. Interesting to hear people who book comedy on college campuses discuss it. Comedian Judy Gold is one of those who refuses to do college campuses.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kBu3g4kiwck

Havent watched SNL in a long time, so I don’t know how it has changed. Time moves on

Thank you for the reminder. I

artappraiser — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 21:36:21 +0000

In reply to One of my favorite SNL skits,

Thank you for the reminder. I would like to stress that this was more than 3 decades ago. And go further:

Ok, granted, that was not for network TV.

However, for network TV, with a lot of the country watching, there was the enormously popular parody of the minstrel character in "Our Gang" which defanged it's power:

One of my favorite SNL skits,

EmmaZahn — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:52:23 +0000

In reply to "Cultural appropriation turns Halloween into a nightmare"

One of my favorite SNL skits, a spot on parody of 70s filmmaking. Talk about cultural appropriation. :)

Sorry, forgot u wake up with

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:59:13 +0000

In reply to Don’t need the circus to come

Sorry, forgot u wake up with this every morning. Over, out.

Don’t need the circus to come

rmrd0000 — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:55:47 +0000

In reply to Ye can suck my d*** - don't

Don’t need the circus to come into contact with clowns.

Ye can suck my d*** - don't

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:53:00 +0000

In reply to I’m dealing with 2018. If the

Ye can suck my d*** - don't even go there, you twit.

BTW, apparently you've never been to a circus where they have clowns. No wonder you're so joyless.

PS - re "most find it offensive" - "most" by far are white and really don't give a shit. Of those who are blck, my guess is most dont care either, but it's trendy to get all alarmed about stupid shit while they're stealing elections from you and killing your people in the street. Eyes on the prize seems to have gone out of fashion - now it's stupid wins over substance.