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Ha! Backposting too! See coda

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 06:05:00 +0000

Ha! Backposting too! See coda and reference to Fudge just above. If there's a Problem Solver, it seems to be Nancy.

ETA: Fudge is 66, so no generational change, while 538 decinstructs how effective Pelosi actually is (though in light of how poorly the DNC did in 2016 underestimates how disastrous a crap fundraiser can't be).

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-big-a-difference-does-the-house...

hey, rmrd - I'd missed this

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 06:01:52 +0000

In reply to Wow. Turns out that Marcia

hey, rmrd - I'd missed this one, or its relationship to Fudge and the Pelosi revolt. Gone gone.

Today's paean to how Nancy handled the troubles, organizer-whopper par excellence, and left her the champion of the left's next wave still:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/nancy-pelosi-likely-be...

More Dems threaten to

artappraiser — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 05:55:45 +0000

In reply to If Not Pelosi, Who? The Question Hovers Over a Simmering Rebellion

More Dems threaten to withhold support for Pelosi

By Nolan D. McCaskill @ Politico.com, 11/23/2018 12:22 PM EST

Democratic members of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus are warning House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) she won't win their votes for speaker if she doesn’t back their proposed rules changes.

“We will only vote for a speaker candidate who supports ‘Break the Gridlock’ rules changes,” the group of nine Democrats said in a statement Friday.

Pelosi, the only declared candidate for speaker, is working to counter opposition from another group of Democrats who gathered 16 signatures from members and members-elect pledging to oppose her for speaker in a Jan. 3 floor vote. The House Democratic Caucus will vote for a speaker nominee in a closed-door meeting Wednesday, but Pelosi will need to win a majority of votes from members present and voting in January to win back the speaker’s gavel.

Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-Ohio), who weighed a bid for speaker, was on an initial draft of that letter. But she withdrew her opposition and endorsed Pelosi this week [....]

Isn’t the question not if

Flavius — Fri, 23 Nov 2018 04:21:13 +0000

In reply to If Not Pelosi, Who? The Question Hovers Over a Simmering Rebellion

Isn’t the question's not: if not Pelosi who but ,if not Pelosi why?

A fairly reliable rule some one who’s actually done a job is a better choice if it comes up again than some one who hasn’t.

Why would we now want to replace her with someone who hasn’t?

Not only wasn't she already wearing the campaign ribbons from Paulson’s Pro Forma attempt to head off Alan Abelson's ( " I couldn't believe bankers would take risks that would cause their banks to fail.")impending sub prime disaster (which Obama actually fixed ) ,she then not only helped with its heavy lifting but also -oh- by- the- way -installed our MOC 1 national health systems.

Which began immediately reducing deaths .

I say again there are people around us breathing, watching the Giants, driving to Orlando who'd be dead hadn't she passed a bill that she didn’t have the votes to pass.

Correction Alan Greenspan not Alan Abelson

Presumably I wasted buckets

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 20:44:06 +0000

In reply to Easy tiger, you're confusing

Presumably I wasted buckets of time over 2015-2016 misunderstanding whatever you were driving at.
Even now. " Pelosi and her allies have engineered the caucus hierarchy to keep younger challengers from positions of power." - that's a lot stronger than "she didn't groom a successor" if my English still functions.

I respoded to Ramona I believe in 2013 that I thought the odds were against Hillary being physically or politically viable as a candidate in 2016 - but lo and behold, there wasn't anyone else - and I include Bernie. Did she do evil and kneecap everyone? or was there just no new blood? again, the DNC didn't help. But was Pelosi supposed to override the head of her party and the DNC to put elections in place? Hoyer was an "understudy" and I guess held on too long. Rahm Emanuel was a rising star in the House who went into Obama's cabinet and then became mayor.

Anyway, I don't know if Pelosi mentored anyone or whether it mattered. I do think she's doing what she's doing well enough to stay put a couple years.

Easy tiger, you're confusing

Michael Wolraich — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:24:04 +0000

In reply to I don't know if you slept

Easy tiger, you're confusing me with some other illiterate, naive wingnut. I haven't "thrown my lot in" with any Speaker candidate, named or unnamed, and indeed I said upfront that Democrats have no alternative to Pelosi at this time. Nor did I ever regard Bernie Sanders as the Democrats' savior or even a strong presidential nominee.

All I wrote was that I'm frustrated that we have no alternative to Pelosi, and I blame her for failing to groom a successor. You pressed me to explain my concerns about Pelosi's leadership, so I did. And for that, I'm accused of pushing some fantasy left-wing agenda and worshipping Bernie Sanders. Don't bucket me, bro.

I don't know if you slept

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:18:00 +0000

In reply to I think the left-center-right

I don't know if you slept through the last 3 weeks when Dems regained the House and a number of governor seats. Most Senate seats open were Dem, so gains weren't expected there. With impeachment and a steady string of convictions in the works, one can imagine the GOP largely gutted by 2020. The NRA's funding is way way down. Many of the voter disenfranchising tactics are finally being successfully challenged. And yes, many new women and minorities successfully entering politics - mostly on the Democratic side.

I don't recall a period of my life when the Speaker of the House was supposed to animate the electorate - frm LBJ to Tip O'Neill to whoever I'm forgetting (Carl someone..?), their job was to knock heads and twist arms. And be hated and be a magnet for scorn from the other side. The GOP didnt think Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay were supposed to be liked.

I mean, just 2 years ago you were promoting a grumpy 72-year-old non-Democrat white dude as savior of the party even though he had trouble winning primaries, and now you're going to throw your lot in with someone yet-to-bre-named just to unseat an arguably successful female caucuser on the heels of a big election win because she seems too old? I'm searching for a thread of logic, aside from "just disgruntled".

Let's try this - Obama put DWS in charge of the DNC, yet more people blame Hillary than Obama for that fiasco. Obama put Eric Holder in charge of the DoJ, but he's better known for Fast and Furious than fighting against draconian voter suppression and anti-abortion laws. His "let's look forward" approach let the GOP wrap their economic collapse around his neck. I don't know why we keep running around blaming the wrong culprit. And by that, I dont mean to overcondemn Obama - he possibly played things the best he could with the money and racism and conservative sentiment working against him while trying to make practical fixes in a global collapse. But he also shut down the grassroots movements like MiveOn and co-opted them into an "Obama #1" PAC that did nothing to build up the party for 8 years. So why you want to pick on Nancy?

Makes sense if you believe in

NCD — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:13:45 +0000

In reply to I think the left-center-right

Makes sense if you believe that a nationwide, rural/urban "wavering, unanimated, apathetic young majority" exists, who require that lefty messiahs immediately emerge and lead them into a 2020 "new directions" promised land where progressives control everything.

Facts say the Affordable Care Act was the most progressive legislation to pass in decades, Pelosi pushed it through, and health care was the top issue for voters this election, see above. Ergo, she is likely the best to protect and expand government investment and involvement in healthcare.

Wow. Turns out that Marcia

rmrd0000 — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:07:51 +0000

In reply to If Not Pelosi, Who? The Question Hovers Over a Simmering Rebellion

Wow. Turns out that Marcia Fudge wrote a letter asking for leniency in the sentencing of a Cleveland judge who beat the crap out his then wife. The former judge is now charged with the murder of his ex- wife

https://www.theroot.com/marcia-fudge-aisha-fraser-and-the-fallacy-of-the-bad-1830589253

Bye, Marcia.

My point is not about Donald

Michael Wolraich — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:57:47 +0000

In reply to There were women, ethnic

My point is not about Donald Trump or GOTV tactics, it's about how Democrats need to rebuild an enduring majority that will enable them to dominate Washington and the states in the long run--not just brief periods after people become fed up with the Republican president. Part of that strategy will likely include mobilizing Latino and African-American communities where turnout is typically low, but it will take much more than that.