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INTERESTING: The ex-

artappraiser — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:45:36 +0000

In reply to Trump’s Amoral Saudi Statement Is a Pure Expression of Decades-Old “U.S. Values” and Foreign Policy Orthodoxies

INTERESTING: The ex-@WhiteHouse official who resigned from the NSC this month after pushing for tough punishment of SAUDI ARABIA for KHASHOGGI murder is now advising a lobbying firm that had represented MBS’s internal rival MBN. https://t.co/NYjm2y6b2y
— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) November 27, 2018

I suggest Fox News editorial

artappraiser — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:59:44 +0000

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I suggest Fox News editorial in general doesn't like this known side of Trump and never has:

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— Country Over Party (@THESAFEMONEY) November 25, 2018

Link to the Fox guest op-ed

artappraiser — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:34:09 +0000

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Link to the Fox guest op-ed you are yammering about.

This paragraph is interesting as I never thought of Gina Haspel as a snowflake type.

Last week, the CIA issued their report that concluded with “high confidence” that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered Khashoggi’s murder, directly contradicting previous claims of innocence from the Saudis. Some of the evidence that led to this conclusion included an audio recording of Khashoggi’s murder obtained by a device placed by the Turks in the consulate and provided to CIA Director Gina Haspel.

She's gone over to the light Never Trump side from the dark torturing side? Go figure, who knew? Is Dick Cheney in on the plot to get Trump, too?

Edit to add: Just keep twisting yourself into delusional knots to prove Trump is a rational and sane person not just promoting but delivering sane foreign and economic policies. He doesn't do shit, he just babbles, he wouldn't "read" a CIA report if it was given to him in pictograph format.

You might be surprised or

Peter — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:18:00 +0000

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You might be surprised or even happy that Fox News has invited dem operative Mary Anne Marsh to spin a new witch-hunt fantasy about why Trump refuses to pass judgment on MBS until he sees the actual CIA report on this murder. It seems that Murdoch is moving Fox back into the #NeverTrump camp by airing this new conspiracy theory where MBS has some secret hold over Trump or they are colluding on some secret scheme.

[Half delete of Peter ranting again - PP]

CIA's opinion is based on

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:28:35 +0000

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CIA's opinion is based on billions of dollars in intel and technology including recordings. Yours is based on what, a gut feeling? It is no surprise the CIA might not fill in exactly which intel fed their conclusion, as they're not in the business of giving away methods and specifics and exposing secret agents.

But nice try at spin - trying to be a "useful" co-opted mouthpiece I suppose.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/cia-concludes-saudi-crown-prince-bin-...

You get the Orwell Newspeak

Peter — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:37:28 +0000

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You get the Orwell Newspeak award for this comment. If the supposed CIA leak was accurate it claimed no evidence or facts linking MBS directly to ordering the killing. It only stated an opinion about the assumption that this action couldn't have occurred without MBS's knowledge or order. I'll wait for a report on the actual CIA conclusions to make a judgment.

My opinion is that this killing could have been an attack on MSB's economic modernization and social moderation agenda based on the fact that he has corrupt enemies in the House of Saud. MBS detained and preached the wrath of Allah to these corrupt and powerful relatives who have much to lose if their corruption is not allowed to continue. This is more than enough reason for them to plot and execute this crime because they are already criminals.

Lulu, Kuttner, 2017, on this

NCD — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 03:05:44 +0000

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Lulu, Kuttner, 2017, on this Orwell essay and status of political speech today, excerpt:

(from Orwell 1946) ...Defenseless villages are bombed from the air, their inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is called “pacification.” Millions of peasants are robbed of their land and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called “transfer of population.”...

Kuttner:

Note that Orwell was writing two full decades before the Vietnam War. Even before the advent of Donald Trump, the misuse of language in our own day has been in many respects more insidious and more corrosive than the plague against which Orwell was warning....the trend feeds the ability of demagogues to persuade citizens that up is down, or black is white.

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A Guy Called LULU — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 02:48:51 +0000

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All talk, misleading

NCD — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 02:41:53 +0000

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All talk, misleading diversion, distraction, insincerity.....brings to mind a quote from an Orwell essay, Politics and the English Language", especially good.... the "words falling like snow, blurring" the facts, reality, intentions etc, and the final outcome forgotten, not reported, skipped, particularly on Fox News:

A mass of ....words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims....

I would really be surprised

rmrd0000 — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 02:19:41 +0000

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I would really be surprised if Graham actually challenges Trump. Trump remains popular with the Republican base. He is going to be the head of the Judiciary Committee and up for re-election in 2020. We will see if he remains steadfast on the Saudi prince.