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I basically agree with you.

artappraiser — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:25:17 +0000

In reply to While greater outreach can

I basically agree with you. If one is going to stereotype an ethnic group, which I'd prefer we not, but since we still do it: they would be more like natural "swings" actually. I don't see maybe as much about the strict Catholicism, anti-abortion as used to be. But there's a pro-business slant with many of the immigrant ethnicities involved, I think that's underestimated, that's why they emigrated, for the business opportunities. Start out working class, but want to climb out of it.

While greater outreach can

ocean-kat — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:06:52 +0000

In reply to Competing headline story @

While greater outreach can help Hispanics are not natural democrats. They are conservative, religious, mostly Catholic, and have the lowest support for abortion of any ethnic group. It's only immigration issues and the perceived racism of the republicans that causes a majority of Hispanics to vote democrat. If republicans can solve their racism problem a majority of Hispanics will vote for them. That's one reason I'm suspicious of the demographic argument for democrats over the long term.

Competing headline story @

artappraiser — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:01:57 +0000

In reply to The Democrats’ White-People Problem

Competing headline story @ Politico.com right now: The Democrats’ Hispanic Problem

To beat Trump in 2020, the party will almost certainly need Florida voters who didn’t turn out for Bill Nelson or Andrew Gillum. What went wrong, and can they fix it?

By Michael Grunwald and Marc Caputo for Politico Magazine, Dec. 4

“Both of the Democratic nominees sucked in terms of campaigning and communicating with Hispanics. Compare that to what Obama did. He put in the time and the money.”
DAVID CUSTIN, MIAMI-BASED REPUBLICAN OPERATIVE

here we go again with the

artappraiser — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:22:05 +0000

In reply to The Democrats’ White-People Problem

here we go again with the Bernie way of approaching the issue causing a ruckus:

Bernie continues to say that all coalitions must work to understand the pain and suffering in rural (ie “white”) America - that it’s something Dems don’t understand and why Trump elected. No mention of racism. Or discrimination of any kind. pic.twitter.com/3NlWtoOx1l
— m. mendoza ferrer (@mgranville1) December 1, 2018

btw, he's running

#Bernie2020
CNBC: Looks like Bernie Sanders is running for president again.....YAH!https://t.co/i1AWMrM2HO

via @GoogleNews
— Thomas Brookhart (@ta_brookhart) December 3, 2018

oh lookee here, the other Orange Satan, he says this

The cult of personality around Bernie is one of the Left’s biggest dangers. There are better, more effective messengers that are actual members of the Democratic Party https://t.co/1P3Sh81E2o
— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) December 2, 2018

Meanwhile here's "Iowa Dems"

If you believe in "party decides" stuff this is very bad for Bernie and Warren and good for Beto, Harris and Booker. https://t.co/y6jejSRFAI
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 3, 2018

Politics is religion. People

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 06:27:00 +0000

In reply to Gollum, Abrams, and O’Rourke,

Politics is religion. People fought centuries-long wars over whether mass wafers were Christ's body or not. There is no magic bullet to make opponents see your reality. No strategy is the right one. It's a war of attrition. Just try it all and see what works. But don't expect instant miracles. 30% this election, 35% next, 40% next... is an excellent trajectory, even tho slow - that's reality.

Gollum, Abrams, and O’Rourke,

rmrd0000 — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 03:05:52 +0000

In reply to Some Republicans are

Gillum, Abrams, and O’Rourke, were clear that they were attempting to reach a different group of voters.

Abrams won against a Democratic primary opponent who specifically went after Republicans voters

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Abrams is convinced the only way a Democrat can win is by engaging with untapped minority voters, particularly those in rural communities, who've often been overlooked.

She says it's not about excluding the Democratic base of white progressives, but broadening the coalition.

"My campaign is about ... both those who are traditional Democratic voters and those voices who will be Democratic if we ask them to speak up," she said after a recent campaign stop in Marietta, Ga.

But her opponent Stacey Evans has a different strategy. She, too, says the party needs to dig deep into its base and reach out more to rural voters, but she's also committed to converting disaffected moderate Republicans.

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https://www.npr.org/2018/05/21/612323600/stacey-vs-stacey-the-democratic-fight-for-governor-in-georgia

Some Republicans are

rmrd0000 — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 00:55:42 +0000

In reply to Some early data indicates

Some Republicans are disgusted by Trump’s behavior. They cast votes in the midterms to send a message to the GOP. I don’t see evidence that these protest voters dislike Trump’s policies and have become Democrats.

Roy More lost in Alabama. That doesn’t mean that a viable Republican cannot beat Doug Jones.

Edit to add:

Are there some Trump voters tired of Republican racism and who have become a Democrats. Yes, I’m don’t know those numbers.

There was outreach in 2018.

rmrd0000 — Sun, 02 Dec 2018 23:18:04 +0000

In reply to Don't see where it says

There was outreach in 2018. It failed statewide in the South.

Some early data indicates

rmrd0000 — Sun, 02 Dec 2018 23:06:55 +0000

In reply to Independents voted for Trump,

Some early data indicates that some Republicans voted for Democrats because they were disgusted by Donald Trump. I’m not sure if those Republicans were responding to a message from the Democrats.

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/15/18078974/trump-gop-midterms-2018-arizona-texas-never-trump

Independents voted for Trump,

ocean-kat — Sun, 02 Dec 2018 22:48:24 +0000

In reply to Trump has an 88% approval

Independents voted for Trump, in many states by double digits. Previously you said democrats should not reach out to whites who voted for Trump because they are all racist. Now you think democrats should reach out to whites who voted for Trump but only if they claim to be independent, not if they claim to be republicans. If a white Trump voter claims to be independent does that voter become not racist? Or is it ok to try to get some of the people you claim are racist to vote for democrats?Why?