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I didn't say, or even infer,

Peter — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 04:19:23 +0000

In reply to Here, I did your work for ya

I didn't say, or even infer, the Yellow Jackets were the same as those who oppose immigrants but since you did I'll say they probably are because these populist movements are related. As expected your work produced an undifferentiated vague poll that doesn't separate the legal from the illegal immigrant or refugee. In fact the Yellow Jacket Manifesto that was released today lists French not EU, control of immigration as a demand.. It's an odd document that seems half Tea Party and half Occupy WS and even demands Frexit.

Here, I did your work for ya

artappraiser — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 03:10:37 +0000

In reply to Where is your evidence that

Here, I did your work for ya on legal immigration, here's the Pew international poll by country, note U.S. and Canada only show 29% and 27% on board with Bannonism:

Percentage of people who want to allow FEWER IMMIGRANTS into their country:

Russia: 67%
Germany: 58%
Sweden: 52%
France: 41%

U.S.: 29%
Canada: 27%
Japan: 13% pic.twitter.com/tEs6oUUEcd
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) December 10, 2018

Where is your evidence that

artappraiser — Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:54:05 +0000

In reply to This movement is much more

Where is your evidence that Yellow Jackets are the same as anti-immigrant movements? No matter who is behind it. It started over the gas tax.

Didja get the part where in parliamentary systems, they have all kinds of choices of platforms, not just two choices?

And how do you know what "the people" want If you don't trust any news to report that? Do you do your own scientific polling? Or just use ~~Facebook~~ a Ouija board? Just because you want certain things to happen doesn't magically make them so. And it's when you claim that what you want is what a majority wants that it seems to become clear you may be delusional. Precisely because you never present any back up, just agitprop as if it were so, that "the people" want what you want.

Edit to add: what does Trump want besides a wall and madcap tariffs? It changes all the time, every day.

You're a regular Joan of Arc,

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 10 Dec 2018 07:50:00 +0000

In reply to EU paramilitary tanks are

You're a regular Joan of Arc, ain't ya? 125,000 protesters in a country of 67 million and you think they should just slink off into the sunset. Meanwhile there were over 1 million in London protesting against Brexit a few weeks ago and you don't have fuckall to say about that. You're a hack - you just look for easy points to stir shit, nothing productive. Your taskmaster Trump was promoting crappy dirty coal as if he could make it work, even as fracking has completely changed the US energy landscape & turned us into exporters. Your railing against the EU is like railing against the New York metro because someone actually wants to make it work right, fix the tunnels, make connections on time, expand service. The EU largely works well. Yeah, we don't got our own Facebook and Google here to fuck people up, just the imported version, but the American model of disruption is overrated - 2 weeks of vacation a year, no healthcare and a crap pension some corporate raider rips off is not quite the American Dream it's vaunted to be, no matter how much cheap WalMart clothing you can pump people up with. And you're trying to back 2 sides of the coin - a French riot demanding more socialism and an American hyper-laissez faire approach to leaving everyone shoveling shit as a "pull em up by their own bootstraps" approach.

[plus let's find out how much the Russians are behind stirring up French protests, like with Catalonia, like backing Marie Le Pen, like with Brexit... more "little green men" in the background]

Now, here's the difference between the US & EU on energy - the US insists on not conserving (and largely ignoring global warming); the EU insists on doing something about it. Thus, a much higher % of renewables in the EU energy mix (even though relatively small - nuclear & hydroelectric are being abandoned too soon and fracking not adopted enough (tho still concerned about fracking earthquakes & groundwater pollution), IMNSHO)

EU paramilitary tanks are

Peter — Mon, 10 Dec 2018 06:13:03 +0000

In reply to It's top-down populism -

EU paramilitary tanks are rolling down the streets of Paris, flying EU flags, crushing yellow jackets and they were probably built in Germany. On another front but the same war in Katowice Poland the Green Blob Mob of COP24 jetsetted in to be greeted with festive mounds of the local commodity of choice, Coal. In the UK their old coal fired electric power plants are being fired up. and paid a premium to keep the lights and heat on as their Green alternatives fail to deliver. The UK globalists need to keep their subjects just alive enough so they can cram the EU back down their throats.

I'll leave it to you to convince the people in France, Poland or the UK to believe the papers, F the papers, read the people.

It's top-down populism -

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 10 Dec 2018 05:04:34 +0000

In reply to This movement is much more

It's top-down populism - really, read the papers.

This movement is much more

Peter — Mon, 10 Dec 2018 02:09:34 +0000

In reply to "Bannonism" is a far more

This movement is much more than a meme and my point was that it is bottom up populism driven by regular folks from the core of society not the elite. Memes used by top down movements, political parties or other elite factions such as victim signaling and other Neo-Marxist ploys are deployed from above for ideological agendas. Bannon and others who support and represent this movement didn't start it so it's not Bannonism but populism directly from the people.

The UN is trying to use the refugee victims to further their authoritarian control agendas but the people they demand must submit to their edicts are shaking off their conditioning and rejecting undemocratic subjugation. The Yellow Jackets are displaying this bottom up revolt even more clearly by bypassing and ignoring the usual collectivists leaders from their unions and parties and standing up for liberty as individuals joining with other individuals to exercise their power. This uprising of individual's power, with or without representatives championing it, is amazing to see in the heart of socialized Europe, here in the US and elsewhere.

The Left has already spewed out two memes to try to strip these deplorables of their ownership, support and power. The first was from US Pinkos claiming the uprising in France was just a Facebook phenomenon and the latest from the French government, with a lame Clintonite spin, was that the Russians are behind it.

"Bannonism" is a far more

artappraiser — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 23:17:42 +0000

In reply to This is great news, the more

"Bannonism" is a far more accurate and useful term than something like "snowflake". And I did not use it as a slur, I used it as a description of an ideology. Bannon has been supporting this movement in Europe for quite some time, is a well-known spokesman/agitator of this meme, and he's right there now where this action is:

Steve Bannon in Brussels: UN migration pact already ‘dead’ @ Politico.com, Dec. 8

Former White House strategist praises far-right parties for opposing global migration agreement.

It was, you know, creating language to communicate thoughts and ideas? (Just because you like to use language as a weapon to insult and ridicule, doesn't mean everyone does.)

This is great news, the more

Peter — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 20:57:41 +0000

In reply to Bannonism continued: Belgium's government loses majority over UN migration pact

This is great news, the more people/countries who reject the corrupt UN globalist agendas the better.Calling it Bannonism or even far-right is inferring that these people cannot make their own decisions and only follow some ideology or leader.