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Nate Silver was shouting this

artappraiser — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:47:41 +0000

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Nate Silver was shouting this morning:

SHUT DOWN OVER THE WALL AND YOUR APPROVAL RATING FALLS
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) January 23, 2019

yeah, seems like it's like

artappraiser — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:50:47 +0000

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yeah, seems like it's like Steve said

And, you know, it was free. I

moat — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 00:47:26 +0000

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And, you know, it was free. I promise you.

Yes it's does look like his

artappraiser — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:35:38 +0000

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Yes it's does look like his approval rating was always about it's the economy stupids, jobs, jobs, jobs. He finally lost them all and is down to rock bottom kookoorokoo 1/3 of the electorate that has always been with us:

New AP Poll: Overall, 34 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s job performance. That’s down from 42 percent a month earlier and nears the lowest mark of his two-year presidency. https://t.co/XnNGXdyq1R
— Julie Pace (@jpaceDC) January 23, 2019

What good is a dang wall if it costs 800,000 paychecks with massive collateral damage. I';m willing to bet That 7/8% or so liked the idea of a wall not because they hated the furriners but because the wall was supposedly gonna protect the paychecks and make em go up.

I found interesting

artappraiser — Tue, 22 Jan 2019 05:15:11 +0000

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I found interesting anecdotals in the WaPo article I cite below as well as reference to the NPR/Marist poll.

More and more I see the static approval rating of the last two years, which we news junkies think of as so mysterious, I think it is that the 7% swings that are not hard core 1/3 right wing of the country, for them: the Carville maxim still rules "it's the economy stupid". That's why they approved of his performance. Until now. They are the type of people that not only don't pay much attention to political news, they also are the type that are very cynical, they feel all politicians are crooks and the system is stacked and crooked as well. So the things we have found outrageous about Trump, they think it's just status quo. Until now. It's: go ahead and play your political games but remember it's the economy stupid as long as you do that you're better than most. These are the people that swing the presidential elections, this small swing population. And Carville was right about them and he's still right. Including that health care is usually #2 after the economy if there's no major war going on.

Some Trump voters now blame him for government shutdown

While the president’s relationship with much of his base remains strong, his ties are fraying with voters in key pockets throughout the industrial Midwest.

By Matt Viser from MACOMB COUNTY, Mich @ WashingtonPost.com, Jan. 21

[....] Many here, even those who still support Trump, say they hold him most responsible. They recite his comment from the Oval Office that he would be “proud to shut down the government.” When he said it, they listened.

“It’s silly. It’s destructive,” Daudert said, adding that all he knows about 2020 is that he won’t be supporting Trump. “I was certainly for the anti-status quo . . . I’ll be more status quo next time.” [....]

[....] An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist survey, conducted Jan. 10 to Jan. 13, found that his net approval rating had dropped seven points since December.

One of the biggest declines came among suburban men, whose approval rating of Trump fell a net 18 percentage points, while support from evangelicals and Republicans dipped by smaller margins. Among men without a college degree, the downward change was seven points.

As Jeremiah Wilburn, a 45-year-old operating engineer, browsed the aisles at Walmart for a new pair of coveralls, he reflected on some of those shifts. Like many voters here, after siding with Barack Obama in two elections, he decided to gamble with Trump in 2016. And for most of the past two years, he was pleased. The economy was humming, jobs were flowing, and wages seemed stable.

Until now.

“I was doing fine with him up until this government shutdown,” he said. “It’s ridiculous. You’re not getting the wall built for $5 billion. And Mexico is not paying for it, we all know that, too. Meanwhile, it’s starting to turn people like me away.”

He worries about the shutdown’s effect on the economy. He’s concerned about the impact on his brother, who works for the TSA in Florida.

To him, the shutdown standoff has also poked holes in Trump’s ability to say he cares for the working class, given that 800,000 federal employees and an additional number of contractors are going without paychecks.

“You can’t expect people to come to work without getting paid,” Wilburn said. “If I were them, I certainly wouldn’t come to work.” [.....]

I've told this story before,

artappraiser — Mon, 21 Jan 2019 18:30:08 +0000

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I've told this story before, but in 2016 focus groups, voters absolutely believed what they'd seen on The Apprentice.

A triumph of branding, a tragedy of politics. https://t.co/89n8j0C55X
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 21, 2019

153 Latinos polled, so 76 or

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 21 Jan 2019 00:33:24 +0000

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153 Latinos polled, so 76 or 77 approve. Even though the Strongly Approve & Approve add up to 50%, most still have no intention of voting for Trump in 2020.
https://www.latinorebels.com/2019/01/20/potusapproval/

The Democrats' Hispanic

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 21:11:21 +0000

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The Democrats' Hispanic problem in FLorida - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/04/democrats-hispanic-vo...

this article in Salon gets

artappraiser — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 21:05:40 +0000

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this article in Salon gets into some of details on Latino answers, but still doesn't get into the why with the anti immigration thing going on:

Trump boasts that Latinos are supporting him... but ignores that they'd still vote against him

Trump boasted that his support among Latino voters has increased, but ignored that most won't vote for him

by Matthew Rozsa, Jan. 20

[....] Yet the numbers are a little more complicated than they were characterized as being in Trump's boast. The same poll also found that while 27 percent of Latino voters would "definitely vote for President Trump" in 2020, 58 percent would "definitely vote against him." Fifty percent of Latinos also felt that the Trump administration was doing "too little" to work with Democrats in Congress in order to end the shutdown, with only 32 percent saying that they were doing "about the right amount" and only 10 percent saying they were doing "too much." By contrast, 63 percent said that Democrats were doing too little to work with the Trump administration, compared to 17 percent who said they were doing the right amount and eight percent who said they were doing too much. Fifty-five percent said that they like elected officials who can work with people who they disagree with, while only 39 percent said they liked elected officials who "stick to their positions."

Here is more from that poll,

artappraiser — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:57:26 +0000

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Here is more from that poll, significant drops with other groups:

"The Marist data for PBS shows a drop of 10 percent in job approval among Republicans and a decline of 11 percent among white evangelicals and 17% among suburban men." https://t.co/HUKIZ53CuH @BillKristol
— Michael R. Strain (@MichaelRStrain) January 20, 2019