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Why does she wish she hadn't

ocean-kat — Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:17:16 +0000

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Why does she wish she hadn't seen it? I've seen similar statements from young men with severe disabilities. Perhaps this is the so called gulf of understanding between men and women that can't be crossed. Perhaps it's cultural. Perhaps it's biological, the effects of high testosterone or evolution in general. For what ever reason men seem to have a sex drive that exceeds women's. We can mostly agree on the problems of prostitution. How it mostly comes out of a sexist culture that often deprives women of meaningful economic choices. How it's often coercive and oppressive. If we had a less puritanical culture we could regulate prostitution to protect women. Would it still be "disgusting" for a 77 year old man to pay to get a hand job? Is it some how less disgusting for an old man to masturbate? Or should men of a certain age simply stop having orgasms?

Bring on the robots.

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:10:16 +0000

In reply to A quote I wish I hadn't seen:

Bring on the robots.

A quote I wish I hadn't seen:

artappraiser — Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:42:38 +0000

In reply to ‘The Monsters Are the Men’: Inside a Thriving Sex Trafficking Trade in Florida

I noticed this comment and article only because Maggie Haberman retweeted it:

A quote I wish I hadn't seen: “I can understand someone being 77 and going to a massage parlor,” said Larry King, 85. “He’s an older man who finds himself with a need and he gets that need satisfied. Why do we care?” https://t.co/lLIs2A31S8
— Carrie Melago (@carriemelago) March 22, 2019

speaking of objectification

artappraiser — Thu, 28 Feb 2019 09:23:46 +0000

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speaking of objectification and drag queens, reality vs. curated reality vs. fake reality etc.

“Pandemonium Broke Out” When the Season 11 Queens Crashed a “Drag Race” College Course

Interesting to hear a British

rmrd0000 — Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:44:15 +0000

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Interesting to hear a British perspective.

One thing black men learn is that if you have a disagreement with a white woman in the office setting, if she cries, you are toast. Sociologist Robin DiAngelo discusses this in her book “White Fragility “.

DiAngelo sets aside a whole chapter for the self-indulgent tears of white women, so distraught at the country’s legacy of racist terrorism that they force people of color to drink from the firehose of their feelings about it.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-sociologist-examines-the-white-fragility-that-prevents-white-americans-from-confronting-racism

Wolf whistles are one thing -

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:01:39 +0000

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Wolf whistles are one thing - I once had a bunch of frat boys chase me through the streets cause I was wearing something too outré while performing, so even that attention has its bounds (fortunately I was pretty fast in those days). And there's usually objectification - it just goes from better to worse.

Objectification: it's a mixed

artappraiser — Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:04:15 +0000

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Objectification: it's a mixed bag of positive and negative, results may vary. I always return to thinking about one group that is all for it: drag queens, they'd kill for wolf whistles. Also there's this: before you know it, you're too old to be objectified.

Dropping this here: black man

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 27 Feb 2019 17:48:27 +0000

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Dropping this here: black man complains about female attentions damaging over course of career.

(slight mention of that Bermuda slave-reenactment sex bazaar kinda stuff...)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/27/white-privilege-is-used-by...

I am reminded that Cindy

artappraiser — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 20:06:45 +0000

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I am reminded that Cindy McCain is a big believer in the trafficking problem and even something of an activist on it:

The Robert Kraft Story Is No Laughing Matter https://t.co/vjoD5ODYzJ
— Cindy McCain (@cindymccain) February 23, 2019

At Phoenix Sky Harbor, I reported an incident that I thought was trafficking. I commend the police officers for their diligence. I apologize if anything else I have said on this matter distracts from “if you see something, say something”
— Cindy McCain (@cindymccain) February 7, 2019

This doesn't help me that much. I don't doubt her sincerity of belief. It's a "reform the world" mentality that seems to believe it is a huge problem. McCain, was after all, a fan of Mother Teresa, enough so to want to adopt an Ethiopian baby from an affiliated orphange.

And am I the only one to find

artappraiser — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:25:05 +0000

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And am I the only one to find these hidden cams with detailed description in The Daily Beast rather creepy, a form of state+media voyeurism?

No you're not the only one. They sound like the National Enquirer.

I don't know what to say about it. I think us with more liberal mores are complicit in encouraging that kind of coverage in that we have schadenfreude when someone who is Republican or conservative gets caught involved in sex work some way. Because it is contra the "family values" branding, it's hypocritical, so we get glee and sleazier journos will pander to that.

But if serious crime is going on, like trafficking, it should be covered like serious crime, not like a "ha ha gotcha" thing.

And then with this one it's also a "developing", is this really the horrible trafficking situation cops say it is? Or are they some sort of sick crusading Puritans?

I am conflicted just like you. What doesn't help the situation: Trump's obsession with zany fantasical duct-tape sex trafficking stories cross-border. Makes one question whether all this stuff is right wing fantasy bogeyman stuff.

Was therefore happy to see New York Times try to dig into the story, an outfit with at least some serious editors. That they chose to highlight that quote about "The monsters are the men", I like that, it sent a message that there is some kind of crusade going on here, and we don't know what the full story is yet. The reporter tried to be fair and find out what she could as facts. Didn't downplay that if the victims are real as claimed, it is horrible crime. But: no victim stories yet from victims. They are conveniently (or not) gone with the wind.

But sensationalist coverage ala "gotcha on sex crime, right wing guy!", I don't think that's a good thing at all.