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I remember descriptions in

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 23:03:00 +0000

I remember descriptions in Readers Digest from over 50 years ago, stuck with me for some reason. Maybe fit Lennon's prescient/too honest/but mistaken "when you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao/you aint gonna make it with anyone anyhow". Indeed, Mao was a Che-like cottage industry for young radicals. 20 million dead in the Great Leap Forward didnt dampen their enthusiasm.

ah yes, she had to do a

artappraiser — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:53:57 +0000

In reply to A Karen falls on her sword

ah yes, she had to do a public confession just like with the nuns with the Red Guards:

Wow. Amazing footage from a Cultural Revolution half a century ago. https://t.co/n5CIre1xxL
— "Rabbits are easy to litter-train" Smith (@Noahpinion) July 4, 2020

Most nuns are basically Karens after all?

A Karen falls on her sword

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:42:28 +0000

In reply to Let's baseline this:

A Karen falls on her sword

https://fringeassociation.com/2019/01/12/words-matter/

I provided links several

rmrd0000 — Sat, 02 Mar 2019 04:32:18 +0000

In reply to Once again you show you use

I provided links several times previously to aid your understanding of identity politics’ origin. I can post them again

Regarding white people

I wrote about efforts to increase diversity in museums giving credit to white museum directors.

http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/museums-working-increase-number-black-curators-25786

I wrote about France considering returning appropriated art back to Africa.

http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/returning-appropriated-art-africa-french-debate-27147

Regarding black people

I found posts criticizing Dennard Paris, Kanye West, Jim Brown, Bill Cosby, R Kelly, Omarosa, and now Lynne Patton.

Have you ever written anything supportive of people who criticize cultural appropriation? The Rwandan problem was both the Tutsi and the Hutu dismissed the other sides point of view.

Once again you show you use

artappraiser — Sat, 02 Mar 2019 03:53:38 +0000

In reply to Tutsi controlled Hutu, then

Once again you show you use an extremely idiosyncratic definition of the term "Identity Politics". One that hardly anyone else would recognize.

As for the charts, I did not post them to make a political point or a debate point, I just posted them for everyone's interests and use, for data and input, without comment. Input on diversity vs. tribalism and separatism and related to the thread. As they say on twitter "'likes' or retweets do not equal endorsement." Actually, to me personally, they are sort of sad. That you use cherry-picked news links curated to be a cudgel to pound a point of view doesn't mean everyone is doing that. Some of us actually like contrarian stuff best, go figure, helps us think, outside of the box and bubble. Like to hear from and read all kinds of people and stories, not just from one tribe.

Edit to add a challenge: did you ever ever post a news story here about a white person that had nothing to do with blacks and wasn't meant to disparage?

Tutsi controlled Hutu, then

rmrd0000 — Sat, 02 Mar 2019 03:06:29 +0000

In reply to No, just the ones of the

Tutsi controlled Hutu, then Hutu controlled Tutsi. There was no trust. There was no voicing of disagreement. Voting disagreements and ranting about cultural appreciation is messy but necessary. To get to consensus you have to discuss things. Dismissing concerns about is how you get to Rwanda. Putting up charts and saying that white Lierals have a superior point of view about some issues is definitely Rwanda based.

Mark Meadows has to hear that what he did is considered racist. Patton has to know that she is not invited to the cookout. If it wasn’t for identity politics and intersectionality from whites, Asians, and Hispanics, the Civil Rights movement would not have happened. Tribal behavior kept the black community intact enough to survive. Tribal behavior helped the women’s movement, the Gay rights movement and the Latino movement.

Those who object to identity politics and tribal behavior are simply telling you that they have the answers. Just shut up and listen to them and things will be okay. Voice objection to their magical grand plan and your tribalism is a problem. Just ask what decision they would have made when asked to decriminalize black hair. Watch for the scam. They want Rwanda without the bloodshed. Rwanda happened because individuals decided they could dismiss the other side. First they dismiss your concerns about culture, then they dismiss you. No need to discuss things. Beware when you hear those words.

Rwanda was not about tribes. The people criticizing tribes are tribal themselves. Sometimes they will bring charts with their tribe clearly marked.

White liberals are

artappraiser — Sat, 02 Mar 2019 00:43:30 +0000

In reply to The knitting community is reckoning with racism

White liberals are significantly more likely than Blacks, Hispanics, and non-liberal Whites to say that ethnic/racial diversity makes the US a 'better place to live'. And Blks (p=0.005) and Hisps (p < 0.001) are sig. more likely than White libs to say 'worse place to live' (lol) pic.twitter.com/YUK9bHkLXv
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 26, 2019

White liberals know best pic.twitter.com/V3uNmy6jIR
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 26, 2019

The percent of Democrats who feel that 'People need to be more careful about the language they use to avoid offending people with different
backgrounds' jumped 11 % points between 2016 and 2018. Little if any change among Reps. pic.twitter.com/so6EtlnE1H
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 26, 2019

Interesting: White liberals also perceive significantly greater voter suppression than do blacks and hispanics pic.twitter.com/EGHJE2BgS3
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 26, 2019

No, just the ones of the

artappraiser — Thu, 28 Feb 2019 22:21:54 +0000

In reply to The entire knitting community

No, just the ones of that community, wonderfully based on a shared interest and NOT on skin color or genetics, that were attempting to try to inject grievances about genetically based tribes into the community. A cross cultural tribe or "community" based on a craft is an example of an exact antidote. to tribe vs. tribe problems that plaque the human race. To introduce other genetic-based issues to divide them is to destroy anything positive they were doing.

And yes I believe it is not a stretch to say that doing that would be just like how Rwanda happened.

Was there some grand reason, pray tell, besides historic grievances, that Hutu and Tutsi have to maintain separate tribal identities and cannot "culturally appropriate" from one another?

What you call "cultural appropriation" is actually a process of creating new cultures and human progression rather than stagnating in ancient tribes that don't interact with and borrow from others. "Cultural appropriation" is a psycho-social equivalent to the biological mixing of genes that is part of the process of evolution. Inbred "tribes" that won't mix biologically with others eventually suffer from disease of all kinds from not having genetic mixing and eventually fade away--from royal families to Hasidim to hillbillies. Likewise, cultures that won't trade and change and take in new input will die off eventually.

I'll say it again but more bluntly: as far as I am concerned, most of those complaining about "cultural appropriation" are unwittingly (as in: idiotically) in cahoots with the Steve Bannon's, the Christian Coalition's and the ISIS's of the world.

The entire knitting community

rmrd0000 — Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:49:37 +0000

In reply to yes just want to be

The entire knitting community is Rwanda.

yes just want to be

artappraiser — Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:15:16 +0000

In reply to Let's baseline this:

yes just want to be aggrieved. And TO THEIR OWN DETRIMENT.

It should always be a point of pride that people wax poetic and fantasize about and desire to borrow from your culture.

I forget: what was the whole debate about immigration here again? Which side are liberals supposed to be on?

The American dream. Streets paved with gold. Yadda yadda. I should be offended they are thinking that. Rather I should prefer that they think of us as the third world rotting infrastructure place that we really are.

And when are they going to stop buying our music and movies--make your own damn records and movies. And leave our sports stars alone, they're ours.

Fact: there is no diversity on Native American reservations. They've decided they don't want diversity, they want to keep what remains of their culture and their land. It's a choice that's allowed. But how are they doing with that?

It comes down to this: diversity or protectionist isolationism. Yes, those screaming about "cultural appropriation" as a sin are most definitely on the same side as Steve Bannon. Separate but equal. No shared water fountains, no shared anything.

Got news for them: there's no going back. Globalization is real. You can be with the kicking and screaming tribalist Trumpies and Bannonites and MAGA's and try to keep your reservations and pretend Pakistan and India were not once one big unit or you can get on with how the future is going to be.