dagblog - Comments for "China's clampdown on movement"

Well at least we had to wait

artappraiser — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 03:23:01 +0000

In reply to China's clampdown on movement

Well at least we had to wait until 2019 for what the dystopian novels predicted for 2000? Meanwhile, in camp news:

More than 60 interviews in two days in 2-3 languages from desperate people and our with @reidstan story about #Xinjiangcamps and its impact in Kazakhstan is finally out! Check it out! https://t.co/IzI5vvwH5A
— Aigerim Toleukhan (@aygeryma) March 4, 2019

Chinese insecurity on

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 04 Mar 2019 10:46:38 +0000

In reply to China's clampdown on movement

Chinese insecurity on Xinjiang on display - reputation for advanced security may be premature.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/03/massive-database-leak-gives-us-win...

More creative Chinese social

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 04 Mar 2019 10:03:21 +0000

In reply to China is looking to solve it

More creative Chinese social engineering/industrial planning/urban planning...
In a way I'm sympathetic, as these are the same issues plagueing the non-top tier cities the world round - the kids & jobs drift to the cooler places, the smaller backwaters dry up.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/04/china-in-unfamiliar-terri...

Well, China's been rather

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 03 Mar 2019 20:06:00 +0000

In reply to China is looking to solve it

Well, China's been rather well-behaved since Mao died (Mao using population explosion as 1 way of displaying China's "significance" - the asshat). The 2-child policy was instituted 5 years ago to try to return to a more normal rate after 35 years of heavy throttling of population - boosting slightly, not returning to a problem country. But it seems it's too late for even that. China's population is projected to drop from 1.4 billion today to 1.35 billion in 2050 and 1 billion in 2100 (obviously too far out to take too serious).

China's growth is roughly the same as Germany's & other European countries, and while resource use is an issue considering its size, it also has the economy to support its population. Counter that with the source of the real population problem - sub-Saharan Africa (plus Pakistan). Even there, fertility rate is falling pretty quickly, but they're 1-2 decades behind the rest of the world, where the crisis has passed (aside from that little thing you mention called Global Warming). Africa is supposed to grow from 1.34 billion today to 2.5 billion in 2050, and keep growing from there.

https://www.populationpyramid.net/africa/2050/

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=CN

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

China is looking to solve it

ocean-kat — Sun, 03 Mar 2019 19:31:18 +0000

In reply to China's 1/2 child policy

China is looking to solve it's short term problem by exacerbating it's, and the world's, long term problem. By increasing the population of this generation to take care of the older generation they will have to increase the size of subsequent generations to take care of the increased size of this generation. And so on ad infinitum. Eventually the constant increase in population is unsustainable. You can't have infinite growth on a finite planet. We can argue about the carrying capacity of the planet but that it will eventually be reached is undeniable. We are at nearly 8 billion. Is that the carrying capacity? Is it 10 billion or 12 billion?

Even if we can produce sufficient food there are questions of quality of life when we are that crowded. We are close to creating a planet with people and the animals that people domesticated to eat are the only animals on the planet. Excepting perhaps for rodents. Is that the planet we want to create? Then there are questions of lower crop yield with global warming and depleted fishing stocks with warming and acidification of oceans

Population growth is slowing down. I think that's a good thing. Eventually we are going to have to figure out how to take care of the elderly while stabilizing the population. I think we should start doing it now. Not incentivizing increased population growth.

China's 1/2 child policy

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 03 Mar 2019 06:46:35 +0000

In reply to China's clampdown on movement

China's 1/2 child policy leading to a population implosion. Wait for the camps to re-educate reluctant parents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/02/china-population-control-t...