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Power of the purse.

artappraiser — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:29:00 +0000

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Power of the purse.

WaPo this morning-including

artappraiser — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:40:02 +0000

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WaPo this morning-including he's tweeted he's going to veto:

Trump renews veto threat as Senate prepares to rebuke him on national emergency

In a morning tweet, the president said he is “prepared to veto” a resolution expected to pass on Thursday.

By John Wagner
31 minutes ago
and
Senate rebukes Trump with vote ordering U.S. military to end support for Saudi-led war in Yemen

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE, help bracing the spines:

Gary Cohn says Trump is ‘desperate’ for trade deal with China

The White House is “living in chaos” on major decisions, according to the president’s former top economic adviser.

By David J. Lynch

More-I shoulda looked at the

artappraiser — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:32:13 +0000

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More-I shoulda looked at the home page first! Politico's current headline:

'Extraordinary': GOP heads for unprecedented clash with Trump

Republicans are preparing to force Trump to issue the first vetoes of his presidency.

BY BURGESS EVERETT, ELIANA JOHNSON AND JOHN BRESNAHAN Updated 03/13/2019 09:49 PM EDT

Looks like the fancy stuff

artappraiser — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:29:12 +0000

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Looks like the fancy stuff didn't work, seeing more than one story like this, that the Dem resolution is going to pass and expecting Trump to veto:

Senate to rebuke Trump on wall

headline story @ TheHill.com - 03/14/19 06:00 AM EDT

Senate also just dissed last night on Yemen/Saudis!

Senate rebuffs Trump with vote cutting off U.S. support in Yemen

Several Republicans joined Democrats to build a bipartisan majority for the measure.

@ Politico. com, Updated 03/13/2019 06:51 PM EDT

Edit to add: Politico is more blatant on the national emergency resolution, pointing out the irony that it is a like a coalition between the Dems and Trump to foil the GOP, hah:

Trump and Dems destroy GOP effort to escape national emergency bind

Updated 03/13/2019 04:19 PM EDT

The president told Senate Republicans he would not agree to curtail his powers in order to stem defections on the disapproval vote.

Timing is all important - if

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:01:49 +0000

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Timing is all important - if Trump were impeached today, the Republicans will have recovered by Nov 2020.
This trainwreck has to at least endure into the fall if not later - normal Joe/Joetta Sixpack is way too forgetful and forgiving.

Another thing about the

moat — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 20:33:39 +0000

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Another thing about the notion of Senate GOP turning on Trump is that such a thing would only happen if it allowed them an exit from the fall out. I think Pelosi is liking the way they are all tied to the mast of the sinking ship.

Throw into this picture what

artappraiser — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:51:10 +0000

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Throw into this picture what the Senate GOP is doing right now to try to mollify bully Trump:

Trump views the resolution of disapproval as one of the biggest fights of his presidency and has been telling Republicans that anyone who opposes him is being disloyal. https://t.co/bWVAVgmKjh
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) March 13, 2019

Pelosi et. al. have to play chess, think like the Senate GOP are thinking, put themselves in their shoes. Most of these guys probably wish Pence was there instead of Trump, but they have to deal with Trump's popularity with a significant portion of their own constituency. They think they can't have the luxury of principles about Trump or they might not get re-elected. So successful impeachment with removal would all depend on how egregious the issues presented are, whether they turn off enough of Trump's base.

Seems to me they are thinking big picture and time frame to do impeachment. Is it not better to just keep trying to court the majority of voters with what you do and not put a ton of effort into a very hard job to try to incite a few of Trump's base to turn in order to get enough GOP Senators? Hope that some GOP Senators will have such strong principles that they will fall on their swords? Etc.

Sure. The sobering fact that

Flavius — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:53:42 +0000

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Sure. The sobering fact that Trump only trailed Hillary by 3 million votes illustrates that. Given that the House should do the right thing ,there ´s the separate question of whether it´s winning politics.

Personally I believe the net effect on votes would be a loss , too many people will see an impeachment as too much like a shut down- an interference with the act of governing..

Many people don't listen to

ocean-kat — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 04:22:19 +0000

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Many people don't listen to poll questions and consider rationally what answer to give. Sometimes all they hear is are you a democrat or a republican. That's all their answer means. It often doesn't mean anything about the issue or policy question. When asked about impeachment some don't even think about it. All they think is I hate that motherfucken asshole. Impeach!

Investigations-not

Flavius — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 03:13:34 +0000

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Investigations-not impeachment -might help (us) , might hurt . But no point debating because it´s the House´s duty so it should .And will.

But we shouldn´t indulge ourselves in premature anticipation of the coming press clipping.

If Nancy ,or someone, makes sure the chairmen perform like Cummings my guess, FWIW, is the Reps will shoot themselves in the foot. (¨That 's right , take careful aim , don´t anyone jostle his arm!¨)

Provided we walk and chew gum: also produce useful legislation.

But that's not a gimmee. It was great taking the House. Pity about the Senate.