dagblog - Comments for "Turning Muslims Away, Poland Welcomes Ukrainians"

Unfriended?

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:22:00 +0000

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Unfriended? Sad.

Wikipedia is paywalled for

artappraiser — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:12:23 +0000

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Wikipedia is paywalled for you?! Edit to add: oops I realize now you meant the WSJ article. Yeah, I am using a friend's account but that's gonna end soon....

Paywalled, so didnt get to

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:05:16 +0000

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Paywalled, so didnt get to read much.

You are absolutely correct to

artappraiser — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:24:18 +0000

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You are absolutely correct to mention it's basically the same culcah, I know because it's 50% of my heritage. Two grandparents came from the same little town now in eastern Poland. At Elllis Island he said he was of Polish heritage and a citizen of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Five years later, at Elllis Island, she said she was of Ruthenian heritage, citizen of same. He remembered a Jesuit bringing the rabbi from the shtetl in town to teach his Catholic youth group about the Jewish religion. She remembered going to an octagonal church (Eastern Rite Catholic) which is still there. He remembered seeing his first electric lights in a trip to market in Lviv. I checked Google maps, it's only 90 miles away. He also remembered seeing Kossacks on horseback somewhere. He always thought the Germans better than the Russians. All same town.

I think now: what they all really are and what my grandparents were is Galician . Forget Polish (or even western Ukrainian as a substitute,) that's nonsense, Poles are in the west, when they had a country, sometimes. I just don't say it in the family because it would be heresy.

Anyhew. My interest in the article was about yet another mass exodus. Of which not much attention has been paid.

Ths is a less than momentous

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 12:49:45 +0000

In reply to Turning Muslims Away, Poland Welcomes Ukrainians

Ths is a less than momentous observation - since the Soviet Union picked up Poland and redrew it west 100km after the war - screwing East Germany, adding land to Ukraine & Byelorus - there's been a captured Polish population east of the Polish border, plus as always a similar culture & speech between these 3 Slavic countries. Slovakia also lost a tail of its eastern Carpathian edge where Warhol's family's from. Ukraine's also a major outsource center - low-cost advantages due to *not* being in the EU - while supplying guest workers for menial labor in Czech and Slovak Republics as well - they are essentially the region's Mexicans - good skilled work, low wages, little trouble. Turkey at one point was the same for Germany - but likely Erdogan has made that prospect riskier than the pragmatic, forward-looking sectarian governments that preceded him. Now Turkey's just another Muslim-focused country with its once EU-looking areligious tech/businesscommunity now sidelined and the free press repressed. Back when Turkey was a technology leader with pro-western values & living conditions, I was pissed at EU countries for kneecapping their efforts for closer access to the EU. Now that they've retranched, I like so many have just given up hoping - maybe next generation it'll be reversed, but I said that about Iran 40 years ago, and Afghanistan 30. Seems I better live a lot longer.