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I'm sure there were a number

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:53:48 +0000

In reply to I'm sure there were a large

I'm sure there were a number of English speakers happy to have 30 seconds they could defintively count as not supposed to understand, vs. the rest of the performance that they didn't understand.

"Ay, Pepe, ¡andale andale! La raza te espera!" "Besa mi culo, pendejo, estoy preocupado." "No es muy simpatico, amigo!" "Chupa mis huevos - pero ¡vote para mi! Yo soy el tamale mas encima!" "Claro que si. Pero yo soy demasiado joven." "Merde. Todo es mas cajado que on pollo en palo." "Verdad. No vale la pena de discutir mas - tengo sed." "Ay, al fin podemos acordarnos - andamos para una cerveza - y chinga a lo demas" "Vale - creo que me gusta la politica". Fin.

Waddaya mean? "Get off my

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:39:05 +0000

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Waddaya mean? "Get off my lawn" certainly resonates, one way or the other. Obama also often seemed tired & rehearsed, yet the public bit on that - yet Beto's no Obama, no law degree, Dreams of My Well-Connected Wealthy White Father (& Father-in-Law!!!) hasn't been leaping off the store shelves. Tulsi's always been (over) confident, and no doubt the audience can relate to her being too strange for primetime. Democrats *should* take climate change seriously, but they won't, thus Inslee's mistake. Warren made a strong initial showing, and that impression lasted her even as her later performance faded - I think it's called "persistence of vision"?

I'm sure there were a large

ocean-kat — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 17:06:37 +0000

In reply to FWIW, I noticed this fairly

I'm sure there were a large number of hispanics watching that don't speak english that were happy to be able to understand 30 seconds of the debate.

FWIW, I noticed this fairly

artappraiser — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 16:48:11 +0000

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FWIW, I noticed this fairly non-political bilingual writer that I follow on Twitter point this out on the Spanish:

Not that it really matters, but just listened to this, and the only one here who actually speaks conversational Spanish is moderator @jdbalart (mind you, with a Cuban accent). The rest are just faking it (even @BetoORourke): multiple grammatical mistakes, non-native accent, etc. https://t.co/nU9f6CSzCw
— Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) June 27, 2019

Either they're banking on an awkward gesture being worth something, or, their intended audience isn't actually US Spanish-speakers but anglophones.
— Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) June 27, 2019

And he's not really the type with a political ax to grind

Got me thinking about how often one sees the meme that a big part of the Latino vote is up for grabs by either party if they would just do this or that. Maybe it's because of the condescension inherent in pols doing this type of thing, stoopids?

Hola. Cómo estás. Hablo

ocean-kat — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:42:14 +0000

In reply to Debate Round-Up Gone Wild

Hola. Cómo estás. Hablo español. votar por mí

Until votes are cast, we rely

rmrd0000 — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:06:51 +0000

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Until votes are cast, we rely on worthless polls, “expert” opinions, and personal opinions.

It's always stunning to me

Michael Wolraich — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:09:00 +0000

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It's always stunning to me how people can come away from a debate with such different impressions. Politico gamely tried to tease out some consensus from 27 expert opinions, but these folks weren't all watching the same debate. There was plenty of praise for Warren, Booker, and Castro, and yet Liz Mair called Warren "a total non-factor in the latter two-thirds of the debate...having looked shaky and uncomfortable at various points when she was on camera."

Other impressions are all over the map...

One expert: "Among those earning another look with confident and relatable performances: Julián Castro, Amy Klobuchar, Tim Ryan and Tulsi Gabbard."

Another: "This first encounter produced two likely goners: Gabbard (too strange for primetime) and Ryan (out of his element on the debate stage)."

One: "Several candidates—namely Castro, Inslee and, dare I say, de Blasio—showed they have a powerful, resonant vision that Democratic voters should take seriously."

Another: "Gov. Jay Inslee is making a mistake going all-in on climate change, Mayor Bill de Blasio came off as the “get off my lawn” guy"

One: "O’Rourke struck me as Obama-esque at certain points in the evening, and I suspect Democratic primary voters will bite on that if he maintains that approach."

Another: "The big loser: Beto O'Rourke. Voters don't like it when you talk over another candidate, and his answers often seemed tired and rehearsed."

Moral: Don't trust pundits--or yourself--to objectively analyze debate performance.

Shorter Moral: Have some damn humility