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I appreciate the appreciation

moat — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 01:13:48 +0000

I appreciate the appreciation.

Put a another way, what I am trying to say is that it is important to separate a Constitutional crisis from other things.

Now it is true that various agents make more or less of particular issues to declare that emergency is underway or not.

I look at the Street article from that point of view. His points do not take the Constitutional matter as the first and most important one to consider.

Whatever validity may pertain to his observations after failing that measure is inconsequential.

Maybe you've just lost your

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 19:24:00 +0000

In reply to Here is the “Hillary Hillary

Maybe you've just lost your ability to read, or you just skim, or something, who knows.

far less potent than other factors including the neoliberal awfulness of the corporate Democratic Hillary campaign

the awfulness of the dismal, dollar-drenched Dems, the Inauthentic Opposition party. It has helped (as certainly intended) the corporate and imperial establishment atop that party continue to marginalize progressive forces both within and beyond the party – forces who properly note that the Democrats lost the election because of their corporate-neoliberal politics and policies. It has helped the Dem-neoliberal establishment avoid blame for demobilizing the nation’s progressive and social-democratic majority and putting a creeping fascist in the White House.

Etc. etc. Of course the links within the article point to more of the same:

The depressing, demobilizing, and corporate-imperial Hillary Clinton campaign and the dismal neoliberal record of the Wall Street-captive Barack Obama presidency were by far and away the leading factors behind Trump’s terrible victory.

Wealthy U.S. election investors and lobbyists kept Hillary’s miserable campaign pathetically centrist and dull – a deadly problem in an anti-establishment election. A hard-right wing of the nation’s financial plutocracy contributed significantly to the reactionary-populist Trump’s surge after the 2016 Republican National Convention. The corporate operatives atop the Democratic Party fixed the primary contest against the progressive-populist Bernie Sanders, who ran in accord with majority-progressive opinion and would have beaten Trump.

So how fucking stupid do you think I am, you asshole? Yes, your piece was an apologist piece of shit as usual and always, in this case for hacking & election theft because she apparently wasn't progressive enough, in other cases other rather putrid Putinesque goals.

As is usual, your comment

A Guy Called LULU — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:40:47 +0000

In reply to Paul Street consumes a good

As is usual, your comment needs a little digestion, at least by me. And, as is also usual, I expect to find it worth the effort. Thanks for responding on point.

Here is the “Hillary Hillary

A Guy Called LULU — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:28:28 +0000

In reply to So because we wanted Bernie

Here is the “Hillary Hillary Hillary” I found in the article .

“... even if Hillary was the ruling-class” preferred winner …”

I can see how that got your blood boiling. It is not fawning praise of your fallen hero.

Again and again I have encountered online “friends” spouting what often seem very much like Kremlin talking points and Russian nationalist propaganda –Truther nonsense about Seth Rich (the DNC staffer Hillary supposedly ordered killed for allegedly releasing emails to WikiLeaks)

Do you see that as an attack on Hillary? I see it as calling one of the attacks on the Hillary campaign controlled DNC “nonsense”. Do you ever notice glaring nonsense when you spout it? Then there is this:

There’s no doubt Russia that tried various things (hacking, dumping, social media-campaigning and more) to help Trump win in 2016. (And, contrary to Trump in Helsinki, why wouldn’t it have? Given Hillary Clinton and Trump’s divergent positions on Russia, it would have been Russian-nationalist realpolitik malpractice for Moscow not to have tried. The operation also matched the Kremlin’s project of advancing the neo-fascistic right across the West)

Another indictment of Trump and Russia, not of Saint Hillary. Yes, these three examples I found are all taken out of context of their appearance in the article whereas your mean-minded screed completely ignores the article. Try reading the article for comprehension rather than for an excuse to attack.

Trump obstructed justice, but

rmrd0000 — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:22:14 +0000

In reply to How to Properly Criticize RussiaGate

Trump obstructed justice, but the biggest complaints in the article seem to focus on Democrats.

If the country doesn’t care about Russiagate, the country is already lost.

If the county doesn’t care about concentration camps, the country is already gone.

The argument that the country doesn’t care supports the idea that the country has grown fat and lazy.

Alabama sets the standard by charging a pregnant woman who got shot with murder.

SCOTUS now allows politicians to pick their voters.

These attacks on democracy are not hidden away, the fact that the country is not up in arms is due to an uninvolved citizenry, not Rob Reiner. The only response to Trump is to resist. Russiagate is part of the Resistance.

Gessen on Russiagate

The political opposition and the media, acting as representatives of the public, should have been building the case that he is an unfit President in a way that did not rely so heavily on the outcome of the Mueller investigation, which has always been pitched as the single answer to all our prayers.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-dream-of-a-sudden-magi...

Where was Gessen when people are pointing to Trump bashing our allies, making friends with dictators, supporting, racists, etc?

I'm sure they did. And for

artappraiser — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:17:25 +0000

In reply to PS - since Obama was Hillary

I'm sure they did. And for every president before that during the existence of Counterpunch. They basically have like 25 writers write the same article over and over again. The meme, the only real meme over there is summarized this time right here:

Fourth, RussiaGate has been a great diversion and “the bear ate our homework” excuse for the awfulness of the dismal, dollar-drenched Dems, the Inauthentic Opposition party. It has helped (as certainly intended) the corporate and imperial establishment atop that party continue to marginalize progressive forces both within and beyond the party – forces who properly note that the Democrats lost the election because of their corporate-neoliberal politics and policies. It has helped the Dem-neoliberal establishment avoid blame for demobilizing the nation’s progressive and social-democratic majority and putting a creeping fascist in the White House.

Just switch "RussiaGate" for "War on Terror" or whatever.... whoever is in the White House from either party is a "creeping fascist" so you wouldn't have to change that.

In The Narrative, the U.S. is in charge of the world and their two-party system is an evil charade, so any other system is preferable as a potential alternative, it can be like Putin or Idi Amin or whatever, one can find some saving grace or raison d'etre when they've all got to deal with the U.S. hegemon.

It's actually quite a conservative view of the world, because in it, there are certain principle beliefs and they never change. You are just teaching the new generation the bible.And someday the savior will come back.

Paul Street consumes a good

moat — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:03:47 +0000

In reply to How to Properly Criticize RussiaGate

Paul Street consumes a good portion of the cake he would like to have when he adds the following to the list of what "Russiagate" is diverting our tiny minds from focusing upon: "denying Congress’s power to investigate and oversee the executive branch."

As has to repeated to every passing Bannonite who talks about the topic, the Special Counsel Investigation was not specifically about Trump per se but the expansion of Presidential power on display when the investigation of Russian influence was being drowned in a bathtub. As Mueller had to repeat slowly while using small words on TV, the whole matter of any investigation done by the Deep State is ultimately the responsibility of an entirely different branch of Government.

This elemental quality puts Street's remark that," fake-progressive legitimacy on the repressive and imperial National Security State and its vast intelligence apparatus" into its proper context.

The only people in the present shit show who are taking the "security state" out of the context of the three branches of government are the Nunes, Jordans, and Barrs who are expanding the power of the presidency even at the expense of the institutions they purportedly incarnate.

PS - since Obama was Hillary

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 15:59:03 +0000

In reply to So because we wanted Bernie

PS - since Obama was Hillary's boss for keeping the troops in Afghanistan, surging in Iraq, doing the NATO overflights in Libya that helped overthrow Qaddafi, keeping prisoners in Gitmo, doing drone attacks (and much of this comes under SecDef, not SoS), helping arm Saudis to attack Yemen, why didn't you guys push a coup against Obama instead of waiting to steal the election from Hillary?

So because we wanted Bernie

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 15:33:06 +0000

In reply to How to Properly Criticize RussiaGate

So because we wanted Bernie (and we had to fight for more debates - waahhh!) it was okay for a foreign power to hack our elections and okay for the crony stealing oligarch with the bonesaw friends to work with a warmongering, dissident killing Rus - because Hillary is too capitalist, unlike the guy selling the White House block by block and taking his daughter to State meetings to hawk her shitty clothing accessries business and pretend she knows fuckall about world politics.

So Trump's campaign manager was funneling polling stats through Kilimnik yo help the Russians hack specifically WI-PA-MI-MN (ok, they missed by 25,000 votes on the latter), and Trump's chosen NSA chief was still pulling deals with Turkey and others (including trying to get a US resident renditioned to another country to get whacked - why does that sound familiar?), but Hillary Hillary Hillary Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi herhe emails emails emails!!!

Bunch of fucking fellow traveller little snakes.