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In the spirit that any

moat — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 22:38:34 +0000

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In the spirit that any criticism is fair game, the addition of personal insults is not an advance. I would rather have the collision of the various media sources be discussed as presented rather than make it all about motives.

I will continue to post any

artappraiser — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 19:13:29 +0000

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I will continue to post any god damned thing I feel has something to say worth reading and you can deal with it any way you choose.

The spirit of the section is precisely that, the "dealing with it any way you choose" including bashing the article that got posted. I don't get why you immediately take it as a personal affront for someone to say they don't like or don't agree with the article you posted and/or that your source stinks. Like they say on Twitter "retweet does not necessarily mean endorsement." When you say you liked a movie and your friend says "oh I hated that movie", do you take it as an opportunity to yell at them and say they've got to come up with reasons? If your goal is to defame all standard media and writing, and to only push ideologically-based "alternative media", it's the wrong site, you're going to get blowback. Most of us here are junkies about news media, and like ideological variety in our reading.

I'll bash bullshit. If you

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 17:13:48 +0000

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I'll bash bullshit. If you want to post anything else, give it a try. Some of your Central America stuff was nice. Your Mueller stuff is way off, and your post re AP/Reuters/AFP was much more dismissive shock and awe than you now claim, but you oftwn do this backpedaling "I didn't mean to say I agreed with any/all of it"

Who is Yuri Chaika, Lulu - is

A Guy Called LULU — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 16:47:30 +0000

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Who is Yuri Chaika, Lulu - is this covered in the Mueller Report?

I don’t know but should it have been? Should we readers of your link get dizzy when finding the name of a Russian propagandist, another particularly evil genius the likes of which our pure truth-tellers remind us that only the genetically twisted Russians produce to play the game every powerful country engages in? It has become routine for you and a couple others here to proclaim how smart you are or at least how un-dumb you are. Didn't you know that Russia had propagandists before you learned the actual name of one?

There is so much that is not covered in the Meuller Report because of pertinent strands of information or evidence that were not even investigated. You defend that when it is convenient to make an attack rejoinder and refer to other articles such as your Abramson link which make the same point when that suits your spew.

Is it possible to read fake AP/Reuters/AFP news and discover a glimpse of the truth?

You know, as well as anyone who read the comments I made on that thread, that I never said that everything or even that very much of the reporting by AP/Reuters/AFP was wrong anymore than AA said everything distributed by social media is wrong when she correctly held, as I acknowledged, that disinformation including deliberate propagandistic bullshit exists on social media and has a big affect. I said that what the wire services report still has a big affect and that affect has not been totally negated by the great and rising affect of social media. I said that wire services get some first reports wrong and that sometimes disinformation is deliberately fed to the wire services, sometimes by our own intelligent services, just like as happens in social media. Your quoted sentence above is essentially a semi-subtle but deliberate misrepresentation of what I argued so as to start out with a put-down that is completely unsupported. To put a somewhat finer point on it, it is a deliberate lie intended as one more smear.

Mate` says Meuller couches many of his allegations as things that might be true.

"The report uses qualified and vague language to describe key events, indicating that Mueller and his investigators do not actually know for certain whether Russian intelligence officers stole Democratic Party emails, or how those emails were transferred to WikiLeaks."

You counter with an article that says,”New study shows Russian propaganda may really have helped Trump. “May” as in could have, but not be proven. Its author, Damien Ruck, was among a group of researchers who won a Defense Department grant this year to study Russian disinformation campaigns in Georgia, Ukraine, and Belarus through March 2024. There is too much evidence for anyone to deny that researchers often incorrectly find what they go looking for or what their paymasters wish to hear. But, when Ruck concludes that Russian meddling might have helped Trump win there is no denying that he might be right. The admittedly, By Ruck, unproven results indicated by his study is an indictment of Russian meddling. It does not address the veracity of or the internal contradictions in Meuller's report or whether Meuller's investigation went everywhere it should have gone or whether criticisms of his investigation and final report are legitimate.

Who is Yuri Chaika, Lulu - is this covered in the Mueller Report?

I don’t know. Should it have been? Should we readers of your link then get dizzy when finding the actual name of a Russian propagandist, "The Kremlin's Master of Kompromat", and another particularly evil genius the likes of which, as we are often reminded, only the genetically twisted Russians produce to superbly play the game every powerful country engages in?

There is so much that is not covered in the Meuller Report because of pertinent strands of information or evidence that were not even investigated. You defend that when it is convenient to make an attack rejoinder and refer to other articles such as the Abramson link which make the same point when that suits your spew.

You are consistently moving in the direction of being an even more overinflated blowfish, happy to be in a shrinking pond surrounded by mirrors held up by the minnows that reflect what stokes your childish narcissistic bullying ego. To restate that in language you have legitimized for use here at dag, you are an uncontrolled, explosively defecating asshole.

We're not that stupid, Lulu, however many times you post this absolute garbage, I will rebut and refute you.

An intellectually honest and fair treatment with honest dialog addressing what I say or post is not any part of your intent in your rejoinders. I will continue to post any god damned thing I feel has something to say worth reading and you can deal with it any way you choose.

Who is Yuri Chaika, Lulu - is

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 07:59:00 +0000

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Who is Yuri Chaika, Lulu - is this covered in the Mueller Report? If not, why not? Could there be more to this whole scandal than the bits that Mueller handled? Is it possible to read fake AP/Reuters/AFP news and discover a glimpse of the truth?

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-yuri-chaika-2017-7

What Mueller actually

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 06:55:00 +0000

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What Mueller actually investigated vs what's claimed, and the disappointment with what Mueller handled - click for thread:

7/

QUESTION 1: What was Trump accused of in the media and elsewhere?

ANSWER 1: Trump was accused of secretly negotiating business deals and U.S. sanctions policy with Russia after he knew it was attacking America, actions that would be charged as Bribery or Aiding and Abetting.
— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) July 5, 2019

The article destroys it own

moat — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 20:44:37 +0000

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The article destroys it own premise when it says: " But his report does not present sufficient evidence to substantiate it."

The evidence is in the redactions and their references to material being withheld from Congressional oversight.

So for, instance, all the matters about the charging of the GRU officers is not comparable to the unfolding of the Guccifer/Stone connection as is being repeated here from Stone's lawyers.

Nunes writes a better memo than this.

Brilliant, Lulu - you can't

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 19:50:00 +0000

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Brilliant, Lulu - you can't deal with controlling AP/Reuters/AFP so you run to RealClearFuckingPolitics for your news...

Try this one on Russian bot effectiveness:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/new-study-shows-russian-p...

Hope NBC's not too Deep State for you.

Why would

Mueller be hesitant to interview Assange? For one, he wasn't in US custody, most of the time he was hidden off in an embassy while Mueller was active, and there are certainly Freedom of Press issues to be careful with - like duh.

Emphatically NO, Mueller did not find there was no conspiracy with Russia. He said he didn't look at "collusion", being a non-legal term, that he found conspiracy with Russian non-goverment actors that was hard to prosecute as illegal partly due to obstruction, lies, coverups - and how far those relations went behind the scenes to the government (along with UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel) remain locked up in the intelligence part of the report. Mueller noted if he could exonerate Trump he would, but he couldn't - so why does your shitty Putin @$$licking source act like he did? And why are you quoting this bullshit? Are you paid, not that I can imagine anyone wasting time paying for disinfo on Dag.

Right now Roger Stone is going to trial over working stolen email leaks with Wikileaks and Guccifer 2.0. Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, sent Kilimnik internal Trump polling data and Manafort met him in New York to discuss specifically Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota battleground states:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/04/18/mueller-repor...

A Russian lawyer who contracted with the Russian government on getting sanctions release met with a half dozen top Trump campaign heads in Trump Tower over Hillary emails that Don Jr said would be great but lied to to Congress to say it was about adoptions not sanctions, and you and the fucking RCP site have the goddamn nerve to claim Mueller proclaimed this squaky clean? Get bent. We're not that stupid, Lulu, however many times you post this absolute garbage, I will rebut and refute you.