dagblog - Comments for "Why black Joe Biden supporters in SC remain loyal, despite his record on race"

Italians, waddaya expect?

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 08 Jul 2019 03:50:35 +0000

In reply to PP: on watching TV and

Italians, waddaya expect?

PP: on watching TV and

artappraiser — Mon, 08 Jul 2019 03:27:48 +0000

In reply to Trump may be stronger because

PP: on watching TV and populism @ The Atlantic!

The More You Watch, the More You Vote Populist

A new study ties consumption of entertainment television in Italy to support for Silvio Berlusconi.

JUL 6, 2019 by Yascha Mounk

Does watching television make people stupid? Are stupid people more likely to vote for populist parties? And can these effects linger for years, or even decades?

If you had asked me a few days ago, I would have been highly skeptical of these claims. They sound far too much like the sort of thing educated people want to believe. But a meticulous new paper published in the American Economic Review, one of the world’s most prestigious social-science journals, suggests that there might be truth to these clichés [....]

Trump may be stronger because

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:44:00 +0000

In reply to There's a new problem, tho,

Trump may be stronger because he acts so stupid. A lot of people seem to like it. Think of the TV sitcoms you never thought would survive, yet they did, for years. That's Trump. And you always wondered who watches these? Republicans. Think I'll write a political splainer.

There's a new problem, tho,

artappraiser — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:58:25 +0000

In reply to You know, if he'll listen to

There's a new problem, tho, well stated by a political scientist. Biden may or may not get this?

A largely unopposed incumbent often uses the out-party’s base-stirring primary contest to position himself as an uncontroversial centrist. This is not in Trump’s playbook. https://t.co/1hfJ8instq
— Seth Masket (@smotus) July 7, 2019

You know, if he'll listen to

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:16:37 +0000

In reply to It got to be an issue only

You know, if he'll listen to his aides that's a step in the right direction. Yes, we work across the aisles to get things done, and the crime bill for one was largwly ato good faith effort, but the Hyde Amendment or a government shutdown aren't exactly bipartisan accomplishments to brag about. AOC finding some common ground with Ted Cruz seems more positive, or when the Brady Bill passed...

It got to be an issue only

artappraiser — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:31:29 +0000

In reply to The thing about the busing

It got to be an issue only because Biden used it as a historical example of being willing to make sausage with even the worst of the worst elected to Congress, as one is supposed to do in a representative democracy. In effect, it's now being used just like culture warring is, to distract to an issue where everyone's got a gut opinion. The point of Wolraich and others is that Biden often picks bad memes like this, doesn't think it out. He could have picked another example that was savvier, where it wasn't so inflammatory, didn't bring up old wounds and divisions still healing to no good end. He brings it up, Harris feels she has to defend it to express her principles, and for the umpteenth time politicians are talking about what they believe instead of what they can do for the voter and how.

Edit to add: I read about his "apology" and seems to me it's a case of his aides just convincing him it was a poor choice of topic. He still believes what he said. And as this SC article shows, lots of older black people get it, they were also there at the time. Just a bad example to bring up for those that don't get how the civil rights fight worked in the past.

The thing about the busing

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 08:30:00 +0000

In reply to Why black Joe Biden supporters in SC remain loyal, despite his record on race

The thing about the busing issue is akin to abortion - like no sensible person *wants* an abortion or chemotherapy, except as a solution to a worse problem. Yet here we are in 2019 having discussions as if busing was like hip-hop parties and free healthcare, and as if the busing issue wasn't already largely dead and buried in the dustbin of the 70's-90's.

Who's proposing busing now as the big solution to racial inequality and failing schools? uh, like no one. This has been more of a cudgel of a purity test than a real policy dispute.

“Both campaigns say their respective candidates support the same congressional proposal designed to mitigate segregation in school in a way that is much broader than busing alone and doesn’t include any federal mandates.” https://t.co/rWDVTUX6PV
— Ben Pershing (@benpershing) July 5, 2019

I just ran across this from

artappraiser — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 23:10:04 +0000

In reply to Don't have a cow, man. We're

I just ran across this from January about Corbyn because I was looking at J.K. Rowling's twitter feed (pointed there by Stephen King's twitter feed, believe it or not, cause I went there looking to see if he was quipping about Pence and NH) Anyhew, the guy writing it is an actor, and Rowling is a massive mass audience storyteller, and I think it is sort of addressing similar memes, how you reach "them" which he purposely names "the aspirational working class" (making clear it's psychological as much as economic), and opines it's not like you are doing it, Mr. Corbyn:

"Why would a man who claims to have dedicated his life to fighting inequality commit himself so vehemently to a policy that will cause greater inequalities?" https://t.co/d1CU21tqCH
— The New European (@TheNewEuropean) January 12, 2019

Don't have a cow, man. We're

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:54:33 +0000

In reply to Argues that "c'mon man!" is

Don't have a cow, man. We're all Homer now.

Argues that "c'mon man!" is

artappraiser — Sat, 06 Jul 2019 21:17:46 +0000

In reply to Why black Joe Biden supporters in SC remain loyal, despite his record on race

Argues that "c'mon man!" is his real campaign slogan. Not just another silly campaign article, though there's some of that., it also gets into the linguistics of it, it's use in sports world, etc.:

It’s a phrase Joe Biden loves to use, one that channels indignation, a bit of an eye roll and a decent dose of macho bravado. There are many Bidenisms, but this one cuts deeper and might as well be his two-word campaign slogan:

"C’mon, man!”

My latest: https://t.co/JtYNcENJtE
— Matt Viser (@mviser) July 6, 2019

I thought this graph particularly interesting, is something I myself did not note before but I see it now that is how Obama tried to ameliorate some of his "elite" qualities:

While campaigning in 2016, Obama often used the phrase to illustrate his exasperation with the public dialogue, the rise of Trump and Trump’s claims to represent middle-class Americans. It is unclear whether Obama influenced Biden, or the other way around. But Biden has certainly carried on the tradition.

If it hits with just a few enough voters that feel sting from "elites", often turning just a minority of them is all you need to win.