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just so we don't get carried

artappraiser — Thu, 18 Jul 2019 05:19:17 +0000

just so we don't get carried away believing every bit of the ancestral folklore about the open door at Ellis Island et. al., here's a contra data point from a Japanese Historian of the US. Specializes in immigration and nativism. Wrote #ExpellingthePoor (OUP) https://goo.gl/sQ9GQD Writing a book on contract labor migration:

1909 exclusion decision of a group of Bulgarians as likely to become public charges. Example of how a LPC decision was made based on the combination of technical legal violation, ethnic/racial profiling, and mere speculation. pic.twitter.com/sEPDJmCD0v
— Hidetaka Hirota (@hidehirota) July 18, 2019

US population in 1880: 50

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:50:12 +0000

In reply to Anxiety is a good word.

US population in 1880: 50 million
US population in 2020: 335 million, nearly 7 times as big.

Emma's humanitarian sentiments are still glowing.
The actual policies to help these desperate people yearning to be free
as always have to evolve, both in light of the locals "drowning"
inevitable resistance) but as well via
lessons learned on how economies grow and prosper,
how they don't, and what makes & breaks a refugee crisis.

But for the most part the last 30-40 years we've chosen to let in those in the 5 or 6 countries
nearby south of the border, and ignore many of the neediest around the world.

Anxiety is a good word.

artappraiser — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 08:53:15 +0000

In reply to World population was 1.5

Anxiety is a good word to bring up on topic.

I haven't listened to this, I just noticed on a menu of "Washington Post reports". But I've read plenty of similar. If people aren't saying this type of thing about themselves, they are at least seeing it reported like I do:

Latest episode:

‘A constant state of drowning’: 40% of Americans say they struggle to pay bills

Listen29:34

World population was 1.5

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 04:16:00 +0000

In reply to So I read it, she doesn't

World population was 1.5 billion in 1880, Emma Lazarus' time, vs 8 billion now. US territory had grown hugely from 1803 to 1870. It hasn't grown since.

This weird hype that Warren's going to use immigrants to grow the economy - like how?

How are we creating productivity from uneducated immigrants in a services-focused highly trained world?? What's our actual worker target? And it's one thing for Spanish-speaking natives, but Central American speaking indigenous languages (formerly called "Indian") - how do we fit those kids into a classroom, those adults in a computer class? A lot of wand-waving non-economic science, induateial policy w/o the analysis. I thought Liz was the wonkish report-bearer.

And when we go back to Lazarus' time, the level of skills and education for European refugees was pretty high compared to the existing population and the work demands of the fairly primitive agricultural-coal-sweatshop economy of the time.

I mean sure, we can use taxi drivers and bedpan changers and a variety of menials, but how many? And how many will rise through our $60k/year college system to the learn the skills of tomorrow? I like fantasy films as much as the next guy, but i've seen this one aon few too many times, and the ending's always a bit too cute and forced.

There's already a huge problem with lack of affordable housing in cities, where the jobs are. It's not like 150 years ago where you give them a lot of land to grow tomatoes and a sheep and they're set. The exburbs have limited ability to absorb more people., which is part of the tension that drives our anxiety. What's the real plan, Stan?

So I read it, she doesn't

artappraiser — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 01:13:25 +0000

In reply to Liz says "Let em all in!"

So I read it, she doesn't actually say that but what she doesn't do is say the words "we want it to be fair" enough times. As in: many times. As in: doing something illegal will not be rewarded. So yes, it is going to be spun as "let em all in".'

I think the main way to defuse the concerns of most who freak out about immigration levels is to push the idea that the system is going to encourage preference to those who will be self-sustaining taxpayers in every way. This is why support for the Dreamers is so high. People just don't want to be supplementing with their taxes the income of more big families living on two minimum wages that are going to remain mired in poverty for several generations. I always hear: there's enough of those right now, take care of what we got first. Yes, their great grandparents were no doubt immigrants very much like that but that was before all the social programs and stuff like free school lunch and bi-lingual education facilitation. ..

I do think that there's not enough sophistication about many readings about polls about immigration. I don't think many Americans are xenophobes, quite the opposite. But many don't really cotton to all the words of Emma Lazarus' poem anymore, as far as taking on the wretched and the poor of the whole world, i.e., no longer believing we have the luxury of having basically an open border at Ellis Island, turning only those away with tuberculosis.

Liz says "Let em all in!"

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:00:00 +0000

In reply to Elizabeth Warren, Economic Nationalist

Liz says "Let em all in!"

We're gonna get creamed.

https://medium.com/@teamwarren/a-fair-and-welcoming-immigration-system-8...