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It sounds like you're blaming

Michael Wolraich — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 02:41:41 +0000

In reply to I think in Omar's case, she

It sounds like you're blaming the victim. The problem isn't that Republicans are attacking Omar; it's how they're attacking her, focusing not on her words but on her race and religion. There's no excuse for that.

PS I also agree with Kat that they'd be doing this anyway, no matter what she said.

Why racism angle will fail

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:06:00 +0000

In reply to Trump's Racist Rally Mob Chants Send Her Back

Why racism angle will fail

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/dispute-builds-o...

Though I did like the line "once you lie you no longer have a seat at the table" - does this Republican apply this rule to the President?

Your bringing the blocking

NCD — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:53:17 +0000

In reply to I was thinking about how the

Your bringing the blocking kids from a "white" school made me think a President representing our entire nation, blocking 'brown' people at the border while labeling them rapists and freeloaders, is frankly, even worse.

One segregationist governor pushing school segregation in one university in one state was stopped. No one can stop Trump, and the GOP base never wants it stopped.

I was thinking about how the

moat — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:17:50 +0000

In reply to "This is not Wallace standing

I was thinking about how the statements are not parallel in many ways but the comparison is too well done for me to deny.

"This is not Wallace standing

NCD — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:34:56 +0000

In reply to By arguing for a satiation

"This is not Wallace standing in front of a school door forbidding black kids from entering it"

No. It's a President issuing orders for officers to stand at the border to forbid desperate people from entering this country.

People seeking safety and asylum. Or letting them in and locking them up in overcrowded cages.

History rhymes.

WaPo:

"....The Trump administration’s policies have turned the process into a Kafkaesque nightmare. My colleagues and I have interviewed thousands of asylum seekers from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras and told them that they had to return to Mexico while their cases were processed — knowing all the while that they might be kidnapped, assaulted or killed...."

Or the Institutional kind.

moat — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:20:09 +0000

In reply to Yes, most of them likely

Or the Institutional kind. That, also, is difficult to fully comprehend, and having done so, do something helpful about.

Yes, most of them likely

ocean-kat — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:06:24 +0000

In reply to By arguing for a satiation

Yes, most of them likely think they are not racists. In some ways they're like my father, an old school steel worker union democrat. Center right to conservative. Reagan democrat. They've eliminated most of the overt racism from their thinking and speech. They wouldn't call black people "boy" or "nigger." But they haven't thought about subtle or unconscious racism.

By arguing for a satiation

moat — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:57:41 +0000

In reply to It's not kibble. The focus on

By arguing for a satiation based model to view Trump's rabid fans, I am not arguing that all of them self-identify as racists. This is not Wallace standing in front of a school door forbidding black kids from entering it. What the fans have been promised is that their problems stem from being ripped off.

All the hippies either died, became successful people, or now welcome people at Walmart (Er, that is not an exclusive list of actual outcomes). The present emphasis on the old derogation of the "U.S. haters" steers clear of Sanders, Warren, or anyone else who happens to be white and espouse "socialists" tropes. What is one to make of that differential? The Hillary hate does not count because she has been put in the elite category.

I don't ask that last question as a rhetorical gotcha but as a piece with my first observation that someone has to burn under the promise that only "other" people are the cause of a problem. I certainly did not draw up the list for the Republicans.

There's always this attempt

ocean-kat — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:05:23 +0000

In reply to I think Bruni puts it very

There's always this attempt to put planning and agency behind Trump's tweets. We saw the same thing with Obama when he made an error or when progressives disagreed what he said. The response from his supporters was to ignore what was said and claim that he was playing 13th dimension chess.

Trump's base likes him because he's like them. There may be some after the fact evaluation of how effective his comments were that increases or decreases how often he says things but I don't think there's thought and planning before he says things. He's just blurting out whatever his gut tells him he thinks.

It reminds me of a story I read years ago about Lennon and McCarthy writing a song for the Rolling Stones. They were just starting out and were nervous about writing songs so Lennon and McCarthy just wrote one in about 15 minutes. At one point Jagger asked about a certain phrase and what it meant. Lennon replied it doesn't matter. The listeners will come up with all sorts of explanations and deep complicated metaphors to explain it. Things that I never thought about or considered when I wrote the lyrics.

I think Bruni puts it very

artappraiser — Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:22:05 +0000

In reply to It's not kibble. The focus on

I think Bruni puts it very well here. https://t.co/ddKmKx5GT0
— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss) July 21, 2019