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[....] “I was watching the

artappraiser — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 20:23:28 +0000

[....] “I was watching the Democrats’ debate last night … and the Democrats spent more time attacking Barack Obama than they did attacking me,” Trump said at a crowded rally here [....]

[...] He painted the same bleak picture for his supporters on Thursday, claiming that a Democratic victory next fall would subject Ohioans to higher taxes, fewer jobs and “socialist” policies that could make the U.S. unrecognizable.

“The rage-filled Democrat Party is trying to tear America apart. The Democrat Party is now being led by four left-wing extremists who reject everything that we believe in,” Trump said, referencing the four first-term congresswomen of color — Reps. Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib — whom he targeted in a series of tweets last month.

“No one has paid a higher price for the far left’s destructive agenda than Americans living in our inner cities,” he added [....]

from ‘Rage-filled Democrat Party’: Trump jabs at progressives

At a Cincinnati rally, the president casts the Democratic primary as a referendum on Barack Obama’s legacy.

By Gabby Orr @ Politico.com, Aug. 1

#DraftNancy reprise

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 05:08:39 +0000

In reply to #DraftNancy

#DraftNancy reprise

Send *us* back?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/01/ilhan-omar-nancy-pelosi-...

Jared Slumlord?

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d43829fe4b0acb57fc9cf4d

It's like these binges of

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 03:35:25 +0000

In reply to I’m focused. A majority of

It's like these binges of diarrhea where you feel it coming on, you just make it to the toilet bowl and whoosh, it all comes out.

Why do you think throwing out columns of historical whatever is persuasive vs annoying? Oh God, Goldwater again. Oh God, David Duke., ad nauseum.

I’m focused. A majority of

rmrd0000 — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:58:53 +0000

In reply to Except I don't see where she

I’m focused. A majority of white voters cast votes for Trump. Exit polls suggest that as many as 11-17% of black men voted for Trump. Many whites and blacks in critical states stayed home. Those voters who stayed at home need to be energized. The fact that people are willing to vote for a white nationalist is not something that was caused by the Squad. Voters who cast votes for Trump want payback. If they believe that Trump helps their economic status will improve with Trump, they don’t care about babies in concentration camps.There is enjoyment in watching Liberal heads explode. Kanye West and Diamond & Silk Love Trump. Will Hurd had enough. Former RNC chair Michael Steel appeared with Baltimore with Al Sharpton. Steel has had enough.

Trump’s numbers remain in the 30-40% range. There has been no dramatic fall in support. Democrats need to energize disaffected voters. Trump is a white nationalist. How can you win against a white nationalist? Barry Goldwater sought collaboration with white supremacists Martin Luther King Jr. said that people of conscience could not ote for Goldwater. Goldwater was cast as an extremist. Goldwater lost. David Duke ran for Governor of Louisiana. Duke was Klan. The campaign against Duke labeled him a racist. Duke lost, You label a racist a racist. You point out that people who vote for a racist as racists.

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Playing upon white fears and hostility is one of the oldest plays in the American playbook. Unfortunately, it’s one against which those playing defense have often fallen short.

The good news is, there is an example from recent history that could serve as a guide for Democrats hoping to defeat Trump and the racial hostility to which he has given voice. But so far, few have applied its lessons to the present moment: namely, the 1990 and 1991 campaigns against white supremacist and former Klan leader, David Duke, in Louisiana.

I was centrally involved in those efforts, as a staffer for the Louisiana Coalition Against Racism and Nazism: the organization founded for the purpose of defeating Duke in his bids for the U.S. Senate and Governor. And what we learned in those years was rather simple: to deflate a movement whose yeast is racism, you have to make it clear that the choice for voters is a moral one. It’s about the kind of people they want to be and the kind of nation in which they want to live.

You can’t defeat such a movement with policy ideas. Even trying to do this normalizes the extremist by treating them like any other candidate. To debate David Duke on jobs policy or taxes would have been absurd. Likewise, to think one can defeat Trump with detailed plans for taking on Wall Street, college affordability, or anything else misses the point. His voters did not vote for him over policy. Most voted for him as a walking embodiment of their rage. He hates who they hate, and that is all that matters.

Duke retained over 90 percent of his voters from the first to the second race, and Trump will likely do the same next year. Why? Because turning on Trump now, as with Duke, would require those who voted for him to acknowledge they voted for a monster. Most will never do that, at least not in the short term.

What ultimately stopped Duke was the crafting of a moral message against hate: one that could inspire the progressive base (especially people of color), yet also appeal to reasonable conservatives and moderates. While those folks might never have been able to agree on policy, by uniting to defeat the politics of prejudice, we could all live to fight another day over those things. But first things first.

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https://www.statesman.com/blogs/20190730/on-running-against-trump-advice-from-those-who-defeated-david-duke

Except I don't see where she

artappraiser — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 01:57:10 +0000

In reply to Joy Reid.notes that most

Except I don't see where she suggests candidates take his culture wars bait and rant about his racism all the time like you do. Here's the examples she gives:

Every time they open their mouths Dems should be explaining those two things:

1. How Trump has messed things up (gave tax cuts to the rich and you paid, tariffs killed your biz, let foreigners help him cheat and will again, made us Putin's poodle etc)

2. Why/how you'll fix it.

Plus she says she agrees with Rick's comment, which includes this point:

2. Only the electoral college matters. If your campaign isn't focused on the 15 swing States you're helping Trump.

Contrary to the many times in the past where you have advocated that some kind of mysterious "outreach" to the so-called "Afro-American community" by the Dem party would save us all and defeat Trump. Here it is, plain and simple: focus needs to be on swings in in the 15 swing states. It's just the reality of our current electoral system. Getting out more vote in Chicago ain't gonna help defeat Trump. Nor is having The Squad knock on doors in rural Wisconsin. Nor will calling people racist who voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump.

Joy Reid.notes that most

rmrd0000 — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 01:05:23 +0000

In reply to Joy Reid has done a twitter

Joy Reid.notes that most white people support Trump. Will Hurd, the only Republican African American in Congress, is not running for re-election. Trump’s African American support among black males maybe crumbling. Moderate whites may object to the Trump racism as well.

Nate Silver:

artappraiser — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:36:26 +0000

In reply to along similar lines:

Nate Silver:

If you're a pundit and can't figure out why real, actual people like Biden, you're not good at your job. He talks about the middle class a lot, he talks about Trump a lot, he represents the continuation of the very popular (among Ds) President Obama, and people think he can win.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) August 1, 2019

Oh, and by the way: Biden's policy positions are pretty close to those of the average Democratic likely voter, if you look at polls and so forth.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) August 1, 2019

Focus group tested this

artappraiser — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:09:05 +0000

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Focus-group tested? (Yes, I'm that cynical.)

New: @JoeBiden jumps to Barack Obama’s defense against criticisms of his record from some Democratic presidential contenders.

From Detroit w/ @elwasson https://t.co/ynPUi0myAK
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) August 1, 2019

Joy Reid has done a twitter

artappraiser — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 19:50:43 +0000

In reply to must read https://t.co

Joy Reid has done a twitter storm rant on topic in response to Rick Wilson and I only know about it because Rick Wilson has retweeted it and every single one of her followup tweets. These two are not exactly ideological mates and he is a former political operative, so methinks there might be some worthwhile political wisdom here:

I don't think policy is completely irrelevant but I overall am with Rick on this. Donald Trump is a 12 alarm fire and Democrats seem to be bickering over what color begonias to plant in the window sill. Just explain why Trump must not be re-elected and why you should be. https://t.co/EMvwFRmlyt
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) August 1, 2019

Every time they open their mouths Dems should be explaining those two things:

1. How Trump has messed things up (gave tax cuts to the rich and you paid, tariffs killed your biz, let foreigners help him cheat and will again, made us Putin's poodle etc)

2. Why/how you'll fix it.
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) August 1, 2019

Get a healthcare question? Explain how he and his party are trying to steal your healthcare.

And how you'll stop him.

Policy is part of the argument, but it is not THE argument. If people trust the candidate they'll trust them on policy that "will help people like me."
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) August 1, 2019

People (most anyway) Trusted Barack Obama. He resonated with them. They trusted his instincts on having opposed the Iraq war. They felt good that voting for him would fix the problems Bush made. It wasn't the details of his healthcare plan that made him win.
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) August 1, 2019

People rolled their dice on Obama because they knew the country was in trouble and they trusted him to fix it. So policy matters but the CANDIDATE matters more. Like it or not most white voters trusted Trump, distressing as that is. They trusted him do defend "people like them."
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) August 1, 2019

The only question on the table for 2020 is who can inspire trust -- and just plain inspire -- the voters who see that what we are living through is deeply wrong, and are seeking a leader who can end the nightmare. Explain the threat. Tell us how you'll fix it. Fin.
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) August 1, 2019

First off that 2 trillion

ocean-kat — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 19:47:59 +0000

In reply to Well we just gave back $2

First off that 2 trillion number you cite is an estimate over ten years which is the usual method for making cost estimates. I was quite clear that the cost of Yang's plan was 3 trillion a year.

Infrastructure isn't just about roads. It's about things like pipelines that deliver water to our homes. Pipes don't last forever. I live in a town abandoned in 1942. Every home for the 1,200 residents had water. The pipes are still here but none of them are usable any more. The same things are happening to the water lines we use today and it's not getting better. Billions of gallons of treated water are leaking out of pipes that are beginning to deteriorate. Trillions of gallons from water line breaks from failing pipes. Eventually they will all have to be replaced. And this doesn't even consider that far too many of these old pipes contain lead that leeches into the water.

There are also millions of miles of pipes taking shit and piss away from our homes. Those pipes are just as old and also deteriorating. Eventually they will have to be replaced. Unless we decide to return the the waste elimination system used in medieval cities, throwing the waste into the street or dumping it into the nearest river.

I'm not going to summarize the whole report. You should read it to get an idea of the extent of the problem.

How about instead of giving $1,000 a month and then seeing what we have left we spend it on infrastructure, create millions of good paying jobs mostly for low educated Americans left out of the tech revolution, and then see what we have left or how much is needed for redistribution.