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For those who are still

artappraiser — Sat, 10 Aug 2019 01:19:13 +0000

In reply to El Paso Walmart Mall Shooting

For those who are still interested in delving into motive, a reminder that the perp is still alive this time. WaPo has these pieces:

As his community diversified, El Paso suspect learned to hate

Relatives say he was radicalized online. Classmates and others say that changing demographics in suburban Texas might have played a role in his worldview.

By Rachel Chason, Annette Nevins, Annie Gowen and Hailey Fuchs
1 hour ago

Shooting suspect said he was targeting ‘Mexicans,’ police say

I never said Republicans are

NCD — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 04:54:28 +0000

In reply to well we differ on your first

I never said Republicans are scum. The Party is exploitive of it's low information base, pushes culture issues it doesn't care about, never wants to solve, operates with bad faith in Congress, lies constantly, pushes fear and racism, anti-government sentiment, anti-science, cuts taxes and borrows- deficit be damned, health care be damned, etc etc

Maybe you could do a post on the accomplishments of the Republican Party, over the last couple decades on solving any national issues, I doubt you will or could do it.

well we differ on your first

artappraiser — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 04:18:12 +0000

In reply to Anyone who expresses dismay

well we differ on your first paragraph because I've see a lot of messaging over the years on blogs, and now on social media, that I think has been totally totally counterproductive to left-of-center causes. And is easily manipulated by the right to be detrimental to the left. Liberals are often their own worst enemies in the last couple of decades. Even so, I am not into screaming STFU, as I really don't like partisanship. I admit I do like to point out the counterproductiveness from time to time and see if their is any eventual self-realization.

Clearly, by now I would think that I know you believe "Republicans are scum" messaging works. If I have ever criticized you about that, I don't remember doing so as I don't feel it necessary. Why? Because you do it well and it's your opinion. I am interested in getting a variety of opinions and views. What I don't like is constant regurgitation of sloppy agitprop, pure and simple. Life is too short to waste on the same point over and over and over and over. I am not in 5th grade and don't want to spend the rest of my life talking with 5th graders. And I also think that 5th graders would benefit from learning more before talking. Sorry, that's me. I've been through hell in my last decade and I really feel time is precious.

Anyone who expresses dismay

NCD — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 01:13:43 +0000

In reply to Funny you should bring up the

Anyone who expresses dismay or alarm at what Trump and the Republicans are doing to this country, however often they do so, or how persuasive they are, I totally support and sympathize with them. A lot of Americans are on edge, particularly minorities. There is ample justification for all Americans of "goodwill" to be very uneasy.

See "Hate is not a mental illness" at link.

Funny you should bring up the

artappraiser — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 21:50:05 +0000

In reply to Short of a manifesto, like

Funny you should bring up the word "manifesto", that is one I probably should have used in my last comment. Seriously, the way rmrd writes sounds like a manifesto to me, almost all the time. That is all I have ever been trying to say in any criticism of him. It's not about ideology. It's about constant manifesto-speak. I'm just not into people spouting manifestoes. I will be honest and say I tend to equate those who do that metaphorically with like, shooting an automatic weapon. True that nobody is hurt by the words, but it sure is ugly to me sometimes. I guess my fault is that I have too much appreciation for nuance and a lot of dislike for passionate partisanism and "us v. them" tribalism and intolerance for the other as much as one might dislike them.

You can tell the future of

artappraiser — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 21:40:31 +0000

In reply to Racism will be a major part

You can tell the future of politics in this country as well as being an expert on what all African Americans think. Silly me reading all this news and analysis for many years, I should just follow rmrd's declarations. The great pseudonmyous rmrd of the internet declares the truth and the light, looking for amens.

The above is how your writing comes across to me. I think you should know that. I think a professional writer would want to know that in order to hone his communication skills, he would want to know whether his language was coming across as arrogant and turning people off rather than win them over. Now maybe he wants to be a trollish pundit, wants to be a lefty version of say, Tucker Carlson. So maybe he does want to turn some people off. Even then, even if that was the case, I would think: such a person would welcome my input of how he comes across, as irritating to me. Would appreciate knowing that it worked. But you? No, it upsets you to get honest input from others. So that means to me: that you have hopes to convince someone in the audience here by what you write. It's clear by now that's not going to be many here. The mystery is why you keep pounding the same drum at us. Why? Nobody likes being hit on the head 10,000 times by someone saying "I am going to repeat things until you say amen and dittoes." (It is usually also implied in the language that your pals here on this site are also idiot whypipple who don't have a clue and need blacksplaining, which is again, arrogant.)

Further, you write like you are talking to yourself. To reinforce and clarify your own beliefs and then hopefully find loyal followers on the same. If so, why not just blog and refuse to get into commenting when you only have the desire to preach rather than communicate and discuss with others? Or why not just do this on Twitter? Why o why do you keep doing it to this small audience here over years and get angry that we don't change? Are we like your pet bucket list project or what?

Short of a manifesto, like

NCD — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 21:14:32 +0000

In reply to Here is AA from upstream

Short of a manifesto, like the killer in NZ or the one in El Paso, and since he is dead, no one may know what motivated the garlic festival killer.

The reason every modern country bans assault weapons, and there are over 200 types and knockoffs banned in Canada, is for this simple reason:

To massacre scores or hundreds of people in seconds or minutes, you need two things, (1) a mentality that predisposes you to do it (2) an assault weapon, designed specifically to kill people rapidly and in large numbers, a large magazine helps speed up the carnage (they come up to 100 rounds).

You can't control #1, you can deny #2. We had such a ban from '93 - 2003, the Republicans let it expire.

If you can pull a 2020 LBJ &

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 19:41:17 +0000

In reply to No, if it is about racism,

If you can pull a 2020 LBJ & a Senate majority out of your butt, bring it on.From what I recall the GOP controls the dice.

"Groupies" - wow, let me

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 19:26:00 +0000

In reply to You posted a fabrication

"Groupies" - wow, let me wallow a moment in perverse thought... ok, now, what is tough for you in dividing interpretation & opinion and "lied"? I certainly know too little of Frederick Douglass to claim great insight, tho unlike Trump know him to be a 19th Century character. I quoted an excerpt from an 1852 speech with my thoughts. You didn't like it - fair enough. But it was my honest opinion/interpretation. You can kvetch all you want, don't turn it into a "lie", however much you're emotionally invested in all this. Call it privilege, call it fluffing the groupies.

To remind: http://dagblog.com/comment/269448 [a cut-and-paste from Douglass' speech, hardly a "complete fabrication".]

Here is AA from upstream

rmrd0000 — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 19:24:26 +0000

In reply to Could the incessant lecturing

Here is AA from upstream

By the way, the FBI has officially stated it is not at all comfortable with profiling the 19-yr. old Gilray Garlic Festival shooter as motivated by white supremacy. Because: it's complicated, screwed up young men always are. This guy had all kinds of radical literature and they don't consider it a good clue:

and

I was actually quite encouraged by the article because it suggests a sophistication in profiling that I formerly have not attributed to the FBI. And that they had the gumption to warn that the media might be jumping to misleading conclusions instead of staying silent as they often do....the last thing we need is another round of hysteria ala post 9/11.

Her concern is that we are going to overreact to white nationalists.

Of course, the FBI opened a domestic terrorism investigation

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/us/gilroy-shooting-domestic-terrorism.html

Glad we didn’t take it to a 911 level before we got the facts. So far, people have been asking for legislation and voting Republicans out of office.