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Bending off-topic, but

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 14 Sep 2019 05:08:33 +0000

Bending off-topic, but reminds there are these microdilemmas, e.g. whether the judge recalled for his light sentence if the Stanford rapist should be allowed to coach girls volleyball, or if a MeToo accusee should appear on TV, but similar career shaming doesn't exist say for politicians who led us into sexed up war or who abused immigrants or stole money from millions - we look for the keys under the streetlamp, not where we lost them. Easier for a flash of morality where the situation's not huge and messy and tied to political tribe. 8'm sure goings on at Walden Pond were more important than Antietam.

BTW, Chareles Dickens' observations on Civil War? Makes a great play-by-play commentator

Here is a quote @

artappraiser — Sat, 14 Sep 2019 04:39:13 +0000

In reply to Civil War redux: follow the money & other tales

Here is a quote @ harvardsquarelibrary. org by Ralph Waldo Emerson, which I just ran across by happenstance, that is suggestive of people in his locale of Concord, MA making the argument that the port of Boston should remain open to the slave trade for the good of the economy:

If it shall turn out, as desponding men say, that our people do not really care whether Boston is a slave port or not, provided our trade thrives, then we may at least cease to dread hard times and ruin. It is high time our bad wealth came to an end. I am sure I shall very cheerfully take my share of suffering in the ruin of such a prosperity, and shall very willingly turn to the mountains to chop wood and seek to find for myself and my children labors compatible with freedom and honor.

Unfortunately there is no context as the site does have a link or footnote (shame on them, being a library and all!) and googling it didn't get me results. But to me it is a good example of how debate in the north could get very complex. "Yankees" ranged allover the place in their opinions on slavery. This example is like debates about interventionism today: should you try to impose your morals on "the other" by force and even go to war over it if necessary or should you continue to trade with them until time changes their ways.

My kneejerk reaction was to

artappraiser — Sat, 14 Sep 2019 02:50:08 +0000

In reply to Too French. Vivre Britannia!

My kneejerk reaction was to comment quickly that "but Bourbon is not French." Because this particular spirit is so 'mercan to its core. But then I looked at what I was actually writing and thought: HAH IT'S ABSURD on its face to say that.So I went to wikipedia to find out the whyfore of the French name and all I found is this:

Bourbon whiskey /bɜːrbən/ is a type of American whiskey, a barrel-aged distilled spirit made primarily from corn. The name ultimately derives from the French Bourbon dynasty, although the precise inspiration for the whiskey's name is uncertain; contenders include Bourbon County in Kentucky and Bourbon Street in New Orleans, both of which are named after the dynasty.[1] ....

It's that good ole multi-culti mixing melting pot thing, that's 'mercan!

Too French. Vivre Britannia!

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 14 Sep 2019 02:14:20 +0000

In reply to WTF is wrong with you PP?

Too French. Vivre Britannia!

WTF is wrong with you PP?

ocean-kat — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:44:25 +0000

In reply to Except I never believed these

WTF is wrong with you PP? Bourbon is a wonderful drink. I think it's just the color of the drink. You're prejudiced against colors.

Your posts are so off topic

ocean-kat — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:40:46 +0000

In reply to Question : What do you call

Your posts are so off topic it's a waste of time to engage. Even more off topic than usual for you.

Question : What do you call

rmrd0000 — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:06:31 +0000

In reply to Civil War redux: follow the money & other tales

Question : What do you call the dead bodies of Confederates on the battleground at Gettysburgh?

Answer: A good start

There were no good Confederates just like there were no good Nazis at Charlottesville.

Edit to add:

That little difference

Thus, by the time he issued the Preliminary Proclamation, Lincoln had taken the one step that guaranteed the Confederate states would not return to the Union. Southern whites had created a nation based on “slavery subordination,” as Vice President Alexander Stephens declared. The leaders of this slaveholding nation would never voluntarily accept peace with an enemy that was arming former slaves and enlisting them alongside white men.

As he had promised, Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation on Jan. 1, 1863. In that document, he specifically and unequivocally endorsed the use of black soldiers, stating: “And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition, will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.”

On Sept. 22, 1862 the war to preserve the Union became a war to create freedom. Lincoln was committed to ending slavery in the Confederacy and using black troops – former slaves – to help accomplish this. He was not only committed to enlisting black soldiers, but was in the process of doing so. Once in uniform, once armed, once they had faced their former master in combat, these newly created American soldiers would become an irrefutable argument for ending all slavery in the nation.

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/not-yet-freedom/

I read Gunnar Myrdal's "An

Flavius — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:56:34 +0000

In reply to You're wasting your time

I read Gunnar Myrdal's "An American Dilemma" as part of forlorn exercise, a group one, to try to conclude-or not-that Graduate Business students could get sufficient benefit from abstract academic investigations of non business subjects to offset the cost -academically- of diverting time and effort down this probable rat hole.

Answer Yes. It sufficiently astonished some of the heavy weights among the faculty that we all got a Distinction. Certainly the only one I ever received.Well probably. And fittingly so since it was my idea and therefore my job to get the damn thing done.

But the more direct pay back occured later when Ralph Bunche showed up at the Yacht Club. By then it was long since he had been part of Myrdal's team on the AD. And to the extent he was known to the Yachties it was as State's hoped for back stage influence at the UN.

A faint hope since the Yachties were not apt to cooperate. Anyway, two members with ties to the department

invited Bunche to lunch (unintendd rhyme )And flocks of the other members stormed the office to surrender their membership cards.

I had to google and now I

artappraiser — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:52:41 +0000

In reply to I read Gunnar Myrdal's "An

I had to google and now I understand your comment (sort of):

What did Gunnar Myrdal mean by the term American dilemma?

An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy is a 1944 study of race relations authored by Swedish Nobel-laureate economist Gunnar Myrdal and funded by Carnegie Corporation of New York. The foundation chose Myrdal because it thought that as a non-American, he could offer a more unbiased opinion.

What is the American dilemma according to Myrdal?

Myrdal argued that there was a fundamental dilemma within individual Americans, who were torn between the ideals of what he called the American Creed—values of democracy and equal opportunity—and the realities of discrimination and segregation.

The Lasting Legacy of An American Dilemma - Carnegie ...

https://www.carnegie.org › media › ccny_cresults_2004_americandilemma

Except I never believed these

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:30:00 +0000

In reply to You're wasting your time

Except I never believed these 2 "misconceptions", I don't drink much bourbon, and I posted an article largely on the role of tariffs (plus other interesting anecdotes) in secession, so why don't you go find a historian acceptable to you who spends 14 years and 522 pages on addressing tariffs claims or go enter your own fucking diary and get out of my face?