dagblog - Comments for "Screw hugs: witness in Guyger police shooting shot in mouth, killed"

But no one knows the truth

artappraiser — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 04:05:22 +0000

In reply to Well, I'm not religious, but

But no one knows the truth about the shooting of the Guyger witness yet, you are simply presuming it's a police revenge hit.

Joshua Brown, Witness in Amber Guyger Trial, Was Killed in a Drug Deal, Police Say @ NYTimes.com, Oct. 8

Botham Jean’s former neighbor, who testified for prosecutors at Ms. Guyger’s murder trial, was shot to death two days after it ended, fueling widespread speculation.

I am not into getting all upset about a blue wall of silence attack unless I know it really is one.

And the trial was over, what happens after is not all applicable to discussing whether what happened at the trial and sentencing was fair or right or whatever.

Awful lot of people got all outraged for no reason about what happened to Jussie Smollett.This could be police revenge, but two days after trial ends where the guy was in the newspapers, that could also be the ideal time to take vengeance towards a dude who wronged ya in a drug deal. Just sayin'. I am tending to disbelieve because of what went on at the trial, where Guyger herself was remorseful. Why do an honor killing over a lily-livered member of the force, somebody who didn't really wholeheartedly defend the blue line and wimped out, admitting frailty and guilt? It's more likely if they are dirty, they want to see a hit of her. She'd be like a traitor in a way.

And the Joshua Brown case

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 03:56:33 +0000

In reply to Well, I'm not religious, but

And the Joshua Brown case just got weirder:

#BREAKING - @DallasPD announce 1 arrest, 2 suspects at large in shooting death of #AmberGuyger witness Joshua Brown. Claim trio were in Dallas from Louisiana to buy drugs from him. Thaddeous Charles Green, 22; Michael Diaz Mitchell, 32 at large #BothamJean @CourthouseNews
— David Lee (@CNSDallas) October 8, 2019

Well, I'm not religious, but

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 03:43:00 +0000

In reply to Comments from local pastors

Well, I'm not religious, but I would like to see most convicted felons treated this way at end of trial, and sent to prison with the idea that they will try to learn and get back on their feet and become valuable people again.

That's whatever race, if it needs mentioning.

BTW, despite the awfulness of the Guyger shooting, I was more horrified by the police abuse here, as it can't in any way be considered a mistake or confusion, yet it's minutes of horribleness with a cop looking on:

https://www.cleveland19.com/2018/12/18/euclid-residents-speak-out-agains...

And by the way, we're *STILL* not talking about the likely police-led cold-blooded revenge killing on one of the witnesses in the Guyger killing. Why's that? His life doesn't matter? Doesn't fit our Dagblog churn-and-reuse model of racial grievance? They shot his mouth off, i.e. "that'll teach squealers".

p.s. perhaps medical

artappraiser — Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:02:25 +0000

In reply to I just looked up now: Officer

p.s. perhaps medical malpractice resulting in death would also be a good comparison. There is such a thing as malpractice insurance because: it sucks, but it happens. And I will never buy that doctors are completely unprejudiced and give each patient their all equally. They are going to care more about some than others and give the ones they have attachment to better attention and care.

I just looked up now: Officer

artappraiser — Tue, 08 Oct 2019 22:56:35 +0000

In reply to Tell me what the longest

I just looked up now: Officer Mohammed Noor got 12 years for shooting Australian-American Justine Diamond. Around a decade seems to be kind of a standard for a situation where a total innocent was killed due to confusion?

In both these cases, I think it is something different from police intentionally being abusive and carried away with their power. I don't really get how your argument about "how come cops aren't speaking up?" applies that well here. These cops were dazed, confused, negligent, lazy, fearful when there was no need, lacked basic judgment, whatever you want to call it. It's not really intentional abuse, like in beating or strangling a supposed perp to death, here it's sloppiness and carelessness with life threatening weapons.

I read several reports on the Guyger case, seemed to me the prosecution and victims agreed it was a horrible mistake. They ending up believing her story about confusion, partly because she wasn't try to hide it or claim righteousness, she was already remorseful.

To me, it seems comparable to a driver who is still licensed to drive killing someone while driving drunk. Doesn't really have much to do with police brutality or racism in policing. Is the Barney Fife syndrome--incompetence.

For the first time in nearly

rmrd0000 — Tue, 08 Oct 2019 21:15:39 +0000

In reply to Tell me what the longest

For the first time in nearly 30 years, a Florida police officer was sentenced to in prison Thursday for an on-duty fatal shooting. Former Palm Beach Gardens officer Nouman Raja was sentenced to 25 years after being convicted in March of manslaughter and attempted first-degree murder for the 2015 shooting of Corey Jones, a 31-year-old African-American drummer whose SUV had broken down on an interstate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nouman-raja-sentencing-ex-florida-officer-gets-25-years-in-fatal-shooting-black-musician-corey-jones-2019-04-25/

Did you mean white police officer?

Edit to add:

The white officer who murdered Walter Scott got 20 years.

Michael T. Slager, the white police officer whose video-recorded killing of an unarmed black motorist in North Charleston, S.C., starkly illustrated the turmoil over racial bias in American policing, was sentenced on Thursday to 20 years in prison, after the judge in the case said he viewed the shooting as a murder.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/us/michael-slager-sentence-walter-scott.html

Comments from local pastors

rmrd0000 — Tue, 08 Oct 2019 21:00:28 +0000

In reply to Why exactly can't she be

Comments from local pastors

Some local religious organizations and pastors said Kemp shouldn't be faulted for displaying compassion and concern for Guyger. But some said she should have spoken to Guyger about her faith in private, such as in her chambers.

"She is a woman of remarkable faith. And I admire and appreciate the fact that she doesn't limit her faith to Sunday morning," said the Rev. Frederick Haynes, senior pastor at Dallas' Friendship-West Baptist Church. "But I preferred her to do that in private setting. That was very jarring and unsettling."

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Wilshire Baptist Church's senior pastor, George Mason, said what Kemp, the citizen, did was "a spiritually touching human gesture."

"I have no problem with her personal gesture and as a Christian find it to be a beautiful witness," he said. But what Kemp did was inappropriate given the context of the moment, Mason said.

"No one should feel as if the government is favoring one religion over another," he said. "Elected officials should be neutral toward religion. Not hostile and not advancing a religion."

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2019/10/03/right-judge-amber-guyger-case-talk-religion-give-bible/

Tell me what the longest

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 08 Oct 2019 20:56:44 +0000

In reply to WTF

Tell me what the longest sentence you've seen a cop get. Humor me.

WTF

rmrd0000 — Tue, 08 Oct 2019 20:51:59 +0000

In reply to By that standard the brother

WTF

He is an 18-year old grieving the loss of his brother. Note that the rest of the family did not hug Guyger and thought that a stiffer sentence was in order.

She represents the judicial system. The trial was already tainted by a delay in arresting Guyger. Law enforcement tried to smear Botham Jean's reputation by announcing there was marijuana in his apartment. Guyger felt safe sending racist texts to fellow members of the Dallas PD. No one in the Dallas PD has addressed these matters. At the end of the trial, we get a judge hugging a murderer. The standard appears to be that the legal system has no standards. A lazy, racist cop enters your apartment and slays you and is allowed to use the castle doctrine as a defense. Guyger only got 10 years, of which she may do five.

The brother gets to do whatever he needs to deal with the loss. The judge gets to be impartial. The Dallas commentary has been no one has ever seen a murderer get a hug. Let someone else handle the appeal. The judge, if she is part of the ongoing process, should recuse herself.

Why exactly can't she be

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 08 Oct 2019 20:46:22 +0000

In reply to Hopefully, it will go

Why exactly can't she be viewed as "impartial" - she sent a police officer away for 10 years, which is rather unheard of (most get exonerated). The trial was over, the victim's family had led the way, the judge had a dialog with the convicted defendant. Often judges are looking for remorse in defendants. Sometimes they will even hand out soft sentences where they feel there's a conscience at play. In this case she gave Guyger a Bible and a hug, and 10 years. Not sure how that plays in your head as "not impartial". Maybe you expected the death penalty or a long scolding or something else. Frankly I think if more of the criminal system focused more on rehabilitation & paving the way to a comeback rather than "don't drop the soap, wink wink", we'd have a much saner society.