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Look towards the bottom:

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:03:00 +0000

In reply to Topic seems to be missing

Look towards the bottom:

LEFTOVER LAST CENTURYS BUSINESS [....]

LEFTOVER TWO CENTURYS AGO BUSINESS [....]

Topic seems to be missing

artappraiser — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 06:23:10 +0000

In reply to Northam pitches rebel traitors slur in time for election

Topic seems to be missing from this article, you just can't get the A.P. to get things right about the really crucial priority issues for Virginia Dems, I guess:

Top issues in the 2020 Virginia legislative session, Jan. 8

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Virginia lawmakers are kicking off a 60-day legislative session with Democrats in full control for the first time in more than two decades. Here’s a look at some top issues legislators will take up this year:

GUNS [....]

EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT [....]

CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM [....]

MINIMUM WAGE [....]

CASINOS [....]

So is secession never valid,

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 23:28:54 +0000

In reply to From Dean Obeidallah on the

So is secession never valid, or only from the exceptional United States? Isn't it odd that the US can gain land from UK, Canada, France, Spain, Mexico, Russia, and Native Americans, but never ever ever lose it? It defies gravity.

From Dean Obeidallah on the

rmrd0000 — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 21:28:08 +0000

In reply to From the Crooks and Liars

From Dean Obeidallah on the reason for secession.

This history alone should dissuade anyone from ever displaying the Confederate battle flag on U.S. soil again. But for those still on the fence, these words from the vice president of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens, explaining the genesis of the Confederacy should end any doubts -- as well as make your blood boil.

In 1861, Stephens explained to a cheering audience that the Confederacy was founded to expressly reject the proposition that men of all races were equal. Instead, Stephens stated, "The foundations of our new government are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/25/opinion/obeidallah-confederate-flag/index.html

The full speech

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1861stephens.asp

Edit to add:

On secession itself

Texas v. White

Supreme Court of the United States

Argued February 5, 1869
Decided April 12, 1869Full case nameTexas v. White, et al.Citations74 U.S. 700 (more)

7 Wall. 700; 19 L. Ed.227; 1868 U.S. LEXIS1056; 1868 WL 11083

HoldingTexas (and the rest of the Confederacy) never left the Union during the Civil War, because a state cannot unilaterally secede from the United States.
Treasury bond sales by Texas during the war were invalid, and the bonds were therefore still owned by the post-war state.Court membership

Chief Justice

Salmon P. Chase

Associate Justices

Samuel Nelson ·  Robert C. Grier
Nathan Clifford ·  Noah H. Swayne
Samuel F. Miller ·  David Davis
Stephen J. Field

Case opinionsMajorityChase, joined by NelsonConcurrenceClifford, Davis, FieldConcur/dissentSwayne, joined by MillerDissentGrierLaws appliedU.S. Const. art. IV

Texas v. White, 74 U.S. (7 Wall.) 700 (1869), was a case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869.[1] The case involved a claim by the Reconstruction government of Texas that United States bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate state legislature during the American Civil War. The state filed suit directly with the United States Supreme Court, which, under the United States Constitution, retains original jurisdiction on certain cases in which a state is a party.

In accepting original jurisdiction, the court ruled that, legally speaking, Texas had remained a United States state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".[2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

you bad!

artappraiser — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 14:22:17 +0000

In reply to Sometimes it's simple. Was

you bad!

Sometimes it's simple. Was

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 06:27:00 +0000

In reply to History, it's about long-dead

Sometimes it's simple. Was looking at old archives:

POTUS on possibility of US presence being forced out of South Carolina harbor: "We're not leaving unless they pay us back for it" (referring to the harbor fort).
— Samuel Clemens (@sammieNYT) March 16, 1865

History, it's about long-dead

artappraiser — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 01:21:03 +0000

In reply to Sure, whatever it takes to

History, it's about long-dead people and it's complicated.

Sure, whatever it takes to

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 23:07:00 +0000

In reply to From the Crooks and Liars

Sure, whatever it takes to get blown away in the South, we should get on it. I mean, better to make a moral point and lose an election to a cohort of corrupt right-wingers than to stick to talking points and electoral priorities. We'll eventually get them out of office, like in Venezuela - hope springs eternal.

PS - did you know as of 1776 pretty much all residents of the colonies, the original "Americans" including Founding Fathers, were traitors to England? And did you know that all Texans were traitors from Mexico, from which they illegally and militarily seceded (with help from the U.S., the celebtlrated Alamo being their much bloodier and more disastrous Battle of Ft Sumter)? And did you know we basically stole Florida from Spain thru continual incursions in absence of enough defense, so they gave up and abandoned it? Did you know our fake trumped up Remember The Maine expedition to Guantanamo harbor resembled Lincoln's stronghanded tactics for Sumter, winning us Gitmo forever (including as an offshore torture & habeas corpus exempt site in recent years)? Did you know no troops died from the bombardment at Fort Sumter (2 from a backfired gun)? That Union soldiers switched forts to one they thought easier to defend? That the initial blockade on the fort was carried out by the South Carolina militia, since the fort was in Charleston harbor and there was no Confederate Army yet? Did you know Scotland will be voting again for independence, i.e. "secession", yet few in London will be calling them "traitors", especially since the UK is in the middle of seceding from the EU - oddly without Brussels sending gunships nor bombers across the Channel? Strange world.

From the Crooks and Liars

rmrd0000 — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:14:05 +0000

In reply to Northam pitches rebel traitors slur in time for election

From the Crooks and Liars article

Mythologies notwithstanding, Lee was and remains a traitor. He is displayed in his Confederate uniform, so that his Virginia admirers could best signal the nation that it was the murdering his fellow Americans for the cause of institutional slavery that he was being celebrated for, and not anything else. If not-racists and not-traitors prevail, the statue will be moved to a warehouse and replaced with another prominent Virginian, of which there are many, many, many to choose from.

It's been a century and a half since the end of the Civil War; it's been zero days and zero hours since its long, malignant legacy last made itself apparent on the streets, in our courtrooms, and in the halls of Congress itself. Melt this traitor down and be done with it already.

https://crooksandliars.com/2020/01/virginia-governor-asks-legislature-remove

Lee did not think there should be monuments to the traitors.

At the center of the “Unite the Right” rally that turned deadly in Charlottesville last weekend was a protest of the city’s plan to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee. White supremacists, neo-Nazis and others have made monuments to the Confederate commanding general a flashpoint — at times marching to keep them standing.

But Lee himself never wanted such monuments built.

“I think it wiser,” the retired military leader wrote about a proposed Gettysburg memorial in 1869, “…not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.”

Lee died in 1870, just five years after the Civil War ended, contributing to his rise as a romantic symbol of the “lost cause” for some white southerners.

But while he was alive, Lee stressed his belief that the country should move past the war. He swore allegiance to the Union and publicly decried southern separatism, whether militant or symbolic.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments