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Some may consider black

rmrd0000 — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 03:45:58 +0000

Some may consider black political conservatism as a code for homophobia.

Jonathan Capehart notes:

> 65 percent of all African Americans “favor laws that would protect LGBT people from discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing.”

65 percent of black Protestants “support laws protecting LGBT people from discrimination in housing, public accommodations, and the workplace.”

67 percent of black Protestant Democrats “support nondiscrimination protections for LGBT people.”

68 percent of black Democrats and 65 percent of black independents “support for nondiscrimination protections for LGBT people.”

73 percent of young black Americans “favor LGBT nondiscrimination protections.”

54 percent of senior black Americans (age 65 and older) “favor LGBT nondiscrimination protections.”

60 percent of black men and 69 percent of black women “favor nondiscrimination protections for LGBT people.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/08/ugly-lie-about-black-voters-pete-buttigieg/

Black women consider

rmrd0000 — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 03:33:52 +0000

In reply to Yes, but the moderates were

Black women consider affordable housing important. Black males give a priority to health care. Neither issue is a Republican focus.

Blacks do not see a great economic benefit from Republican national government.

https://www.axios.com/black-voters-motivated-2020-election-trump-dae9583e-44d2-4d0c-8fdd-f0d9b3966064.html

George W Bush had a program that targeted black pastors by focusing on Gay marriage. In the best setting, he lost the black vote 4:1 (see Ohio).

Edit to add:

Because Republicans don't care about black people, black people support the white Democratic candidate they view as most likely to beat Trump. That candidate is Joe Biden

May 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/07/black-voters-helped-make-joe-biden-democratic-front-runner-will-they-keep-him-there/

December 2019

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/13/poll-biden-continues-to-dominate-among-black-voters-084285

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/01/politics/joe-biden-black-voters-poll-of-the-week/index.html

Yes, but the moderates were

ocean-kat — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 23:52:13 +0000

In reply to Obama was everything to

Yes, but the moderates were right when they thought Obama was a moderate that swing voters could support even if they got there by chance. What I never understood was how the left came to support him. During the campaign there was a picture of some dread head white man working for Obama with a Che Guevara poster behind his desk. Of course the right played this up to paint Obama as a far left commie. But what I wondered is how this guy came to support him. Was it enough for some on the left to elect a black man? Or did they think a youngish black man had to be a far left liberal and his talk of bipartisanship was just a ruse?

I have the exact opposite reaction when I talk to a black man. I expect him to be more moderate, even conservative than a white man. Because polling tells me they are more likely to be. Except for a couple of race related issues on virtually every other issue blacks democrats are more conservative the white democrats. If it weren't for the perceived racism of the republicans at least half the blacks are more aligned ideologically with that party.

Obama was everything to

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:31:33 +0000

In reply to I think the main problem with

Obama was everything to everyone. A Rorschach test.

I agree with you if we're

ocean-kat — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:47:10 +0000

In reply to I think the main problem with

I agree with you if we're talking about Obama's win, but it took all the disparate parts with their many different reasons to get us 60 votes in the senate.

P.S. Article is the same old

artappraiser — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:33:34 +0000

In reply to I think the main problem with

P.S. Article is the same old faulty eternal hope by both passionate lefties and righties that radical change can be affected via who wins presidency and the Senate if enough non voters got inspired and came out. Our country is not set up that way, those two entities are supposed to be moderating influences, to stymie too much change at once. More radical candidates who won did so by pretending to be moderate or centrist to important constituencies when they were first running, such as Trump or FDR. Edit to add: and yes, Trump had other help too, which helped ameliorate the damage he did to himself with radical behavior on the campaign trail.

I think the main problem with

artappraiser — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:09:53 +0000

In reply to The Other Swing Voter

I think the main problem with the article is that he thinks as to the presidential race that those "other swing" voters mattered in 2008 as to who won. They didn't. While it was inspiring to see them come out and I am sure their votes helped in many places "downticket", it was the original kind of swing voter that actually got Obama elected. And he accomplished that by being a moderate candidate pushing bi-partisanship to attract the original kind of swing voter.

The problem I have with this

ocean-kat — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 08:54:34 +0000

In reply to The Other Swing Voter

The problem I have with this article is it assumes there are different messages sent to white and black voters. If one decided to separate the groups into black and white one can make that argument. But most everything he says about what he defines as the other ie black swing voter could also be applied to the left swing voter most of whom are white. We also vote overwhelmingly democratic. We also lack enthusiasm for the centrist democrat picked in the primaries. We also sometimes are disheartened and don't turn out to vote. We are also told to hold our nose and get out and vote for the centrist. There is a group of black voters and a group of white voters who are traditionally treated the same

rmrd should love this article. The author sees racism in the different treatment of black and white voters. I see a more complex field of voters beyond that simple dichotomy and more nuanced reasons for different treatment.