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If the Führer calls and

NCD — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 03:40:48 +0000

In reply to Though I really have nothing

If the Führer calls and commands, each of us must obey without question, whatever he may say. With the Führer we are everything, without him we are nothing.

Hermann Pompeo Göring

Goetz should be sent to the Eastern Anbar Front.

P.S. Aside: Wilson is

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 02:55:49 +0000

In reply to Though I really have nothing

P.S. Aside: Wilson is actually dealing right now with the Fanboy & Gal Cult of Trump turning on Gaetz because of his war resolution vote:

I am going to retweet some to the cult’s replies to Matt Gaetz after he got ratted out and taken to the woodshe by Trump. This is a perfect example of my rule of the Saddamificaiton of the GOP.

These mooks LOVED Gaetz...until they didn’t.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 11, 2020

Though I really have nothing

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 02:34:34 +0000

In reply to She's a star, she can do what

Though I really have nothing against politicians with "charisma", I also like to think like this as far as voting is concerned:

As I like to say, “Don’t fall in love with the meat.” https://t.co/tyYeBsPTYl
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 11, 2020

There is also the famous line in "Primary Colors": now don't break our hearts...

I really didn't like that syndrome as regards the 2008 Obama campaign.

Well, she's in government,

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 01:03:39 +0000

In reply to How is what she is thinking

Well, she's in government, not outside bitching, and while she has some explosive stances, she seems to pay good attention to detail - a major problem I have with Bernie. Plus she has a sense of humor, which helps. Nader and Greenwald, not so much. And while she made her talking points, and Pelosi made hers, the two seem to work together - old cop, young cop perhaps. She's there to shake things up, which may or may not be appealing to "The Team", but again, I expected to have young blood by 2015 to challenge the presidency, figuring Hillary would be history by then, and here it is 2020 and all we have are a bunch of old farts, Warren at least well versed on important policy, but sheesh it's like the 80's in the Soviet Union.

It's one thing to refuse to

ocean-kat — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 00:46:25 +0000

In reply to How is what she is thinking

It's one thing to refuse to support a primary challenger or to support the incumbent, even one as conservative as Lipinski. It's another to create an economic sanction to any advertising or consulting firm that works for the challenger. That's exactly what the DCCC decided to do. And the left is supposed to meekly accept that. There has to be some pushback against policies like that from the left.

She's a star, she can do what

NCD — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 00:28:00 +0000

In reply to Ocasio-Cortez defends

She's a star, she can do what she wants. It makes one's political career easier when you are always in opposition to your Party, they will likely never hold true power due to the division you thrive on, and you can always absolve yourself of blame "because they didn't listen."

Corbyn was a pro at this, having a 35 year career, leading his band of lefty agitators through the streets to oppose or demand some action related to the issue "du jour." While he was also, finally, destroying his Party.

How is what she is thinking

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 00:18:29 +0000

In reply to DCCC and DNC have some issues

How is what she is thinking and planning different from the Glen Greenwald and Ralph Nader types? (See for example:, 2017 @ The Intercept: RALPH NADER: THE DEMOCRATS ARE UNABLE TO DEFEND THE U.S. FROM THE “MOST VICIOUS” REPUBLICAN PARTY IN HISTORY) Not accusing, just wondering, will be watching, think of the meme as a "developing". She certainly has shown zero respect for the NY Dem party, she primaried the chair of the Dem. caucus. Not that I have respect for the NY Dem machine, I don't, it's part of the reason I remain an Independent. But she doesn't appear to be a team player type to me.

DCCC and DNC have some issues

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 23:20:14 +0000

In reply to Ocasio-Cortez defends

DCCC and DNC have some issues.

I could find a fit for Kaine

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 23:18:00 +0000

In reply to I'm not sure why you're

I could find a fit for Kaine - pragmatic enough, gave Dems some regional reach -figured it was riskier Warren or kinda safe and inclusive but with a southern reach... though in the end he wasn't much of a draw, not sure why exactly. Lieberman I never much liked. As holding hands VP candidate (sorry, gushy religious prayers not my thing), after he ran again in CT after losing, and then backing McCain, he was pretty awful.

I'm not sure why you're

ocean-kat — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 21:37:40 +0000

In reply to I am surprised at the strong

I'm not sure why you're surprised. The moderate democrats bend over for the conservative democrats and freeze out the left. Where was the moderate push back against Lieberman when he demanded that the public option be removed from Obamacare? The moderates allow policy to be pulled to the right by a couple of conservative dems but they don't allow it to be pulled left by a couple of liberal dems. We're always expected to hold our noses and vote for the democrat and to support the policy no matter how conservative.

I could support Gore until he selected Lieberman as his running mate. That was just a step too far for me. I liked Hillary until she selected Kaine as her running mate. I don't always agree with AOC, Sanders, or Warren but they are much more in line with my policy wishes than the moderates and especially the conservatives. When are the liberals going to get the same consideration as the conservatives when it comes to policy compromises? When will the conservatives be asked to hold their noses and vote for some liberal policies like liberals are ~~asked~~ demanded to support conservative policy every day? I'm willing to bite the bullet and support the moderates but I'm just done with this constant shift to the right.

Maybe Harrop is right. Maybe I should leave the democratic party.