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Blacks are pragmatic voters.

rmrd0000 — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 03:21:43 +0000

In reply to Yes, two old big tent white

Blacks are pragmatic voters. Their question is who can win. Biden has name recognition and the fact that he was VP under Biden. Trump is a racist. Trump needs to be evicted from the White House. If Harris held up, Blacks would have gone with her. Harris and Booker never caught fire, so blacks went with Biden.

You want to determine how blacks are supposed to behave. Supporting Biden is rational. Supporting Harris would be tribal more than rational in your view, especially if the white support for Harris was below 50%. You would be yammering about "tribal" blacks. As long as blacks vote the way you want them to vote, they are fine. If they choose an option that disagrees with your view, they are " tribal"

Take your response to Northam. You were overjoyed when blacks overlooked his blackface. You are questioning tribal behavior when Northam decides to remove Robert E Lee from the US Capitol under pressure from black legislators. How dare they remove something that does not offend you? When Wiley's "Rumors of War" was installed, speaking for all black people, you said this was the way blacks should respond to Confederate statues. You decided for blacks what was the "correct" action. The truth is that the newly elected Democrats in the state legislature are pushing for legislation to allow local communities to decide how to deal with Confederate statues. You want to limit choice. Everyone has to agree with you that the statues to traitors remain in place. I favor letting the local communities choose.

Yes, two old big tent white

artappraiser — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 01:57:33 +0000

In reply to Note the absence of identity

Yes, two old big tent white guys.Bernie even shies away from discussing identities outside economic class.

At the same time I am puzzled you would mention it because you've often strenuously supported identity politics as being necessary to advance a tribe and believe that Afro-Americans are one.

Useful comment.

Flavius — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 21:50:48 +0000

In reply to Note the absence of identity

Useful comment.

Buttigieg put out a video ad

rmrd0000 — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:06:05 +0000

In reply to LA Times

Buttigieg put out a video ad noting the support from three black people

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/pete-buttigieg-campaign-releases-video-testimonials-from-black-supporters-in/article_c050b508-fc49-55e7-b3a1-03008e9df48e.html

Maryland Congressman Anthony Brown is a campaign co-chair for Davis

Brown, a Democrat and the former lieutenant governor of Maryland, will become the Buttigieg campaign’s first national co-chair, according to a news release.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-anthony-brown-pete-buttigieg-endorsement-20200109-20200109-ugleooyuwvg4jhju2bdk4amkbi-story.html

But Buttigieg was rebuked by a local black politician who favors Biden

The longest-serving African American man on the South Bend, Ind., Common Council is endorsing Joe Biden for president, a rejection of Pete Buttigieg that highlights the South Bend mayor’s struggles with black voters.

Councilman Oliver Davis told POLITICO that while it’s nice to see someone representing Indiana in the Democratic presidential primary and bringing national attention to South Bend, Biden is more experienced.

“When you’re flying in the middle of a storm, you want to make sure you have steady, experienced leadership,” Davis said. “I believe that Vice President Biden has demonstrated throughout the years by having a steady hand, he can help lead us through these times, and with all of the challenges we face nationally and now even internationally, he has the relationships, has the skills, and I think he can bring us together in different ways.”

But Davis also scolded Buttigieg, saying the mayor’s woes attracting support from communities of color “is not a new problem for him.”

“For us, this has been a consistent issue that has not gone away,” Davis said.

Asked if Buttigieg could win a general election, given his current low levels of support from people of color in the Democratic presidential primary, Davis said: “I doubt it. I sincerely doubt it.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/black-south-bend-leader-endorses-biden-over-buttigieg-072885

The national polling, local polling, and the stories about problems Buttigieg has with the local black community paint a dismal picture for Buttigieg. One hope for the former mayor is that polls are undercounting support. Many black people use cellphones and not land lines. If a pollster calls a cellphone and one sees an unknown number, it is less likely that the person answers the call.

Note the absence of identity

rmrd0000 — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:41:53 +0000

In reply to note too, that broken down by

Note the absence of identity politics or tribal behavior in black voters.

note too, that broken down by

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:50:07 +0000

In reply to As much as I find the polling

note too, that broken down by age, the youngins like the old socialist guy over the old Obama-verified Dem:

As much as I find the polling

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:26:15 +0000

In reply to Buttigieg protested by BLM group while in LA visiting homeless shelter

As much as I find the polling-by-skin-color thing somewhat distasteful, can't fight the powers that be on that, as I see WaPo has a new one out and is promoting it, and I see Mayor Pete is significantly at the bottom while Uncle Joe's babbling about Cornpop apparently didn't hurt him much:

NEW: Biden is far and away the favored candidate among black Americans. Sanders is a clear second, Warren third, and Buttigieg still in the basement. More here in one of the most extensive studies to date of views on the 2020 campaign among black voters: https://t.co/2IUZSFJm1G pic.twitter.com/OqxlMs0Eur
— Matt Viser (@mviser) January 11, 2020

I note Bloomberg and Booker

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:23:54 +0000

In reply to As much as I find the polling

I note Bloomberg and Booker at 4% each, while Buttigieg got 2%; with that one could easily make an argument for an anti-mayor bias, stop-n-frisk or not.

LA Times

Flavius — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:54:13 +0000

In reply to BLM protests Buttigieg

LA Times

But other black leaders have rallied to Buttigieg’s side, including the area’s NAACP president, Michael Patton, who has said he’s “grateful to Mayor Pete” for his work.

BLM protests Buttigieg

rmrd0000 — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:15:28 +0000

In reply to Buttigieg protested by BLM group while in LA visiting homeless shelter

BLM protests Buttigieg because when he was mayor, black officers fled his police department because of racism within the department. The perception is that.Buttigieg did little to prevent the exodus.

In January 2012, Pete Buttigieg stepped into the South Bend, Ind., mayor’s office after winning the city’s first open mayoral election in 24 years. South Bend had three African Americans in visible high level and public leadership positions: Mayor’s Assistant Lynn Coleman; Fire Chief Howard Buchanon and Police Chief Darryl Boykins.

Within three months, all three would be gone.

https://www.theroot.com/mayor-pete-s-invisible-black-police-1840727624

Buttigieg is viewed as having conducted a war against the homeless.

With 14 percent of the city’s housing vacated or abandoned, Buttigieg had a task force identify every relevant property and recommend an overall course of action. Its conclusion? That the city should slap fines on homeowners to incentivize repairs and empower officials to demolish derelict properties at the owner’s expense. But it just so happened that most of the vacant homes were in low-income black and Latino neighborhoods, where some city residents had housing from deceased relatives or were still listed as owners despite having been forced out by pricey mortgages.

According to South Bend’s own records, in fact, both the fines and demolitions meted out thanks to the mayor’s policies tended to be heavily concentrated in these neighborhoods (one resident, for example, reported being fined thousands of dollars between 2012 and 2014 for infractions such failing to mow the grass).

South Bend’s eviction rate, meanwhile, doubled between 2012 (when Buttigieg was first elected) and 2016, now sitting at three times the national average.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/mayor-petes-war-on-the-homeless

Edit to add:

Former vice president Joe Biden is far and away the favored candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination among black Americans, boosted by his personal popularity, his service in the Obama administration and perceptions that he is best equipped to defeat President Trump, according to a national Washington Post-Ipsos poll.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) occupies second place in the Democratic field among African American voters, easily outdistancing the remaining candidates in the race. Sanders is leading among black voters under age 35, replicating his success with younger white voters in other national polls. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) runs third.

The survey finds meager support for former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg, who is among the leaders in polls in the predominantly white states of Iowa and New Hampshire but stands at 2 percent among Democratic black voters nationally. A lack of familiarity with him and concerns about his experience and sexual orientation appear to be contributing to his current standing. Buttigieg has said that as African Americans get to know him, he will gain more support, but the poll undercuts that assertion. He receives only 3 percent support among black voters who are familiar with him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-holds-wide-lead-among-black-voters-in-democratic-presidential-race-post-ipsos-poll-finds/2020/01/11/76ecff08-3325-11ea-a053-dc6d944ba776_story.html