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some stereotyping @

artappraiser — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 00:36:14 +0000

In reply to Better board the bus for Bernie

some stereotyping @ McSweeneys along the lines of your psychedelic bus but much fancier and more au courant:

FEBRUARY 6, 2020: TO ALL THE BERNIE BROS I’VE LOVED BEFORE

I think you are probably

jollyroger — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 02:29:56 +0000

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I think you are probably correct, and I wish Biden were his 10 year younger self who wailed on Paul Ryan. The 2020 model has leaky valves and bent pushrods.

http://dagblog.com/reader

jollyroger — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 02:26:53 +0000

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http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/plan-b-bloomberb-biden-30070

Point taken, anent which my

jollyroger — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 01:29:09 +0000

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Point taken, anent which my most recent thoughts may be found in my next post.

That said, I would respectfully adduce the following:

The opinion of the writer, (who works for Herman Kahn's outfit) is long on guilty associations but short on direct Sanders' quotes.

Also, the guy is old line CP who seems to have gone over the falls with the other reformed reds now neo cons, though I say that unencumbered by any more extensive research that the first page of google. so it's just a first impression.

Await your post. Right now it

rmrd0000 — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 01:26:23 +0000

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Await your post. Right now it looks like Biden will have to collapse in IA, NH, and NV for Biden to be viable in SC.

Bernie will be a punching bag

rmrd0000 — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 03:00:27 +0000

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Bernie will be a punching bag

Bernie Sanders, a top competitor in the Democratic primaries, has attacked Joe Biden for bringing “just a lot of baggage” into the race. But if past views are a major consideration, consider the baggage that Sanders drags into the campaign.

Go back over 40 years, to the start of Iran’s long conflict with the United States. On April 1, 1979, the theocratic Islamic Republic of Iran was proclaimed. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who had returned to Iran from exile to assume command of the revolt, became Supreme Leader in December of that year. His rise was accelerated by the seizure on Nov. 4 of 52 American diplomats and citizens, and citizens of other countries, at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. The hostage crisis became the means by which the Ayatollah crushed political opponents in Iran. Dealing with the hostage taking became the overwhelming political crisis for President Jimmy Carter. It lasted 444 days.

Virtually all Americans—Democrats, Republicans and independents—united in support of the hostages and the international call for their freedom. One prominent political figure on the 2020 stage, then almost completely unknown, stood apart by joining a Marxist-Leninist party that not only pledged support for the Iranian theocracy, but also justified the hostage taking by insisting the hostages were all likely CIA agents. Who was that person? It was Bernie Sanders.

Sanders would like the public to believe, as an AP story put it, that “democratic socialism [is] the economic philosophy that has guided his political career.” But that has not always been the case. In 1977, he left the tiny left-wing Liberty Union Party of Vermont that he’d co-founded, and in 1980 instead aligned himself with the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), the self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, became its presidential elector in Vermont, and campaigned for its candidates and platform that defended the Iranian hostage seizure.

In fact, the SWP’s position on Iran is part of what distinguishes it from democratic socialist groups. When its presidential candidate, Andrew Pulley, came to speak at the University of Vermont in October 1980, Sanders chaired the meeting. Pulley attracted only 40 students to his rally, where he concentrated, according to the SWP’s newspaper The Militant, “on the Iran-Iraq war,” and condemned “anti-Iranian hysteria around the U.S. hostages.” Military action against Iran was not at that point theoretical—Pulley’s speech came six months after the attempt to free the hostages in Operation Eagle Claw had failed.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-iran-took-americans-hostage-bernie-backed-irans-defenders

jollyroger — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 02:27:49 +0000

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Serendipitously, I have been solicited by Sunrise Extinction to chip in for buses, the kids, tney say, are standing by..

We’re just 21 days out from the Iowa Caucuses and 29 days from the New Hampshire primary. What happens in these early votes will set the tone for the whole election. If we seize this moment, we can start this year off with a major win for our movement.

Sunrise endorsed Bernie Sanders last week because he’s shown time and time again that he’s ready to fight for our generation and the Green New Deal. Now, our teams in Iowa and New Hampshire are putting all their energy into turning out young people for Bernie.

We have hundreds of young people who are ready to go to Iowa and NH and put Bernie over the top but we need to raise money to house, train and outfit them with materials.

We need to raise $20,000 more in the next 10 days to pull this off with enough time for people to plan their travel. Can you chip in today?

In pictures

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:04:24 +0000

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In pictures

and then there's neo-liberal

artappraiser — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 06:36:22 +0000

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and then there's the neo-liberal econ guys who don't think much of his protectionism:

Quite a burn on the Bern. https://t.co/zj5wrhSGUG
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) January 16, 2020

Third Way peeps argue in WaPo

artappraiser — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 06:27:10 +0000

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Third Way peeps argue in WaPo op-ed that Bernie Sanders’s agenda makes him the definition of unelectable

By Jon Cowan and Jim Kessler Jan. 15, 2020 at 2:16 p.m. EST

Jon Cowan is president and Jim Kessler is executive vice president for policy at Third Way, a center-left think tank.

In the lead-up to the Iowa caucuses, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is arguing that he is the Democratic candidate most likely to beat President Trump. He has touted his electability in speeches and interviews and on social media, and his campaign has said it welcomes a debate on electability.

We should have that debate, because the fact is that the United States has never elected anyone as president who is as far left as Sanders. The only modern Democratic nominees approaching Sanders’s ideological views were former vice president Walter Mondale in 1984 and then-Sen. George McGovern in 1972. Together, they won a scant 30 electoral college votes and lost the popular vote by a combined 35 million votes. Mondale’s wipe-out was the biggest electoral college loss in U.S. history.

For those who say these landslide races were ages ago, and that Donald Trump is no Ronald Reagan, fair enough. How about December 2019? That is when Sanders clone Jeremy Corbyn got routed by Trump clone Boris Johnson in the British parliamentary elections, sending the Labour Party to what some said was its worst defeat in more than 80 years. Corbyn, who Sanders predicted would lead his party to a resounding victory and “should be a lesson for the Democratic Party,” tanked. He “literally repelled voters,” former Labour MP David Milliband wrote after the debacle.

For Sanders to have a chance of winning, let alone proving to be the most electable as he claims, Americans would suddenly have to become comfortable with socialism. That would be quite a change, since, as of three months ago, socialism was viewed negatively in the United States by a 13-percentage-point margin (55 percent negative, 42 percent positive), according to the Pew Research Center.

Sanders’s team says that no matter who is nominated, Republicans will smear that Democrat with the “socialism” label. That’s whistling past the graveyard. Democrats have easily batted this spurious charge aside, because they ran on a mainstream progressive agenda. Sanders won’t and can’t. He has embraced the socialist label his entire political life, and his agenda, as he likes to point out, is far beyond anything Democrats have proposed on the national stage [....]

FWIW, I only noticed it because it's currently the #2 most read op-ed over there right now, after Impeachment descends into darkness by Dana Milbank. And WaPo readers are not Fox viewers, as it is famously part of "the liberal media".